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    Now that we have everyone's opinion on PvP...

    ...I'd like to speculate for a moment about how this will play out. What has been said is that two separate battle systems will exist; classes for soloing on one hand and jobs for partying on the other. Somebody else may have said this already but hear me out:

    Solo classes take the PvP role (for the most part) while the job system largely is designated for party and PvE situations.

    By grouping soloing and PvP together, balancing classes might not be as much of an issue as everyone can use whatever skills they want. Essentially it's a level playing field and how successful you are depends on how you customize your skills. Think of online FPS where your main gun can be analogized to your class and your attachments and perks are all the other skills and tricks you employ.

    On the other side of the equation, by grouping the job system, PvE and partying together, a completely different set of tactics exists which cannot be touched by issues of PvP balancing. Your role is to support the team by doing your job. Your job in raids, dungeons, HNMs etc. (i.e. tank, crowd control, (de)buffer etc.) has nothing to do with your role (and capabilities as a competitive PvPer).

    Now I know many of you are thinking at this point that by doing this solo PvE content will suffer or you might be concerned that you wont be able to PvP with jobs and large groups. I agree, this is a conundrum but not entirely impossible to work something out. [SIZE="5"]The main thing I want you to take away from this post is that with two separate battle systems comes room for keeping PvP and PvE separate.[/SIZE] I know many of you have anxious and reluctant sentiments about PvP but but before you decide to give up hope and throw in the towel, please consider that the dev team is a smart group of people. Accept for now that PvP will be a factor and whatever they decide to, they will do it with great consideration to our concerns and the best intentions toward delivering us an enjoyable experience.
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    Last edited by Amadas; 07-03-2011 at 09:16 AM.

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    No on ganking. PVP group vs group would be awesome. One on one = gay. I don't want jumping, but I want dodging, like a sidestep hop.
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    Anytime i think of Sidestepping all that comes to mind are fighting games & how cheap it is to use it.

    It would be kinda cool if you could partially incapacitate the user. Perhaps it would grey out part of their abilities where they can't use them.
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    Never been a fan of PVP, I do hope they keep the systems and balance seperate. I don't want to see "_____ skill was nerfed for PVP reasons!, and it now effects your PVE experience."
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    I agree with Jynx as soon as something comes up "X ability/spell was modified to balance PvP" the devs are doing something wrong. PvE should never be effected for PvP sake.

    I think the best things SE could do would be create 2 separate rules, a PvE set and a PvP set... only way to make it where PvP does not effect PvE and Vise Vera.
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    I don't like PvP MMOs. If anything make PvP instanced. As long as it doesn't affect me, go for it.
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    If I wanted single PvP, I would play Tekken with a friend. Last thing I want is to have someone run up and gank me while I am in town crafting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rau View Post
    Rau Lecreuset: There are reports of a multitude of people in town who have a found a magical tool that lets them forfeit their conciousness, and in doing so, allows them to craft for inordinate amounts of time.

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    Again like I've said a bunch of times now, 2 separate effect modes is a perfect solution; just a matter of SE deciding if they want to dedicate time to do it. (IE each spell/ability has one effect in PVP and another in PVE, so that PVP balance would never possibly affect PVE, because spell modifications for PVP would only change the PVP effect of the spell.) For instance CC lasting a shorter duration when used in PVP, or a spell being less damaging in PVP than PVE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonlee View Post
    Again like I've said a bunch of times now, 2 separate effect modes is a perfect solution; just a matter of SE deciding if they want to dedicate time to do it. (IE each spell/ability has one effect in PVP and another in PVE, so that PVP balance would never possibly affect PVE, because spell modifications for PVP would only change the PVP effect of the spell.) For instance CC lasting a shorter duration when used in PVP, or a spell being less damaging in PVP than PVE.
    What do you recommend when someone starts complaining about a skill in particuliar and wants it taken out/put in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serio View Post
    Yoshi-P starts casting Sleepga IV on Yoshi-P.
    Yoshi-P is asleep.
    The Troll hits Yoshi-P for 9000 damage!
    Yoshi-P is no longer asleep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAMINUS View Post
    If I wanted single PvP, I would play Tekken with a friend. Last thing I want is to have someone run up and gank me while I am in town crafting.

    Responses like this are starting to get annoying. Please learn what PVP is and stop equating PVP with open world PK gank fest. PVP = "PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER." That can mean Ballista type games, Battle grounds, duels, mini games like choco racing, anything that involves 1 player versus another player or a group of players versus another group.

    Yoshi P said open world PK is NOT a possibility, nor would SE ever force that upon their player base. So please stop with these ridiculous posts like "omg NO PVP I DON'T WANNA BE GANKED WHEN I'M DOING LEVE/CRAFTING/AFK!!" whathaveyou.
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