Glamours and Gear Preview (03/20/2014)

[Jaykos]

Shouldn't that tell you something? We're 50, able to unlock it, and still think it's asinine to have it locked behind level 50. It may be easy to reach 50, and as a result a lot of us already are, and it is still stupid to require max level.

I'd say it's likely this was a deliberate decision because of the volume of gear at 50 that becomes obsolete disproportionately more quickly than the rest of the game.

Yeah I agree you should get it at lvl 1 and without having to do a quest. Same as your chocobo mount. And dyeing gear. And primals all modes. And pvp. Plus you should be given your relic. And housing for free. Plus all aetherlytes unlocked without having to travel to them before. Plus 2000 myth and philo. Plus ct and bcob access. Heavens forbid you have to work towards something in a mmo and look forward to unlocking it.

[Blackweaver]

Yeah I agree you should get it at lvl 1 and without having to do a quest. Same as your chocobo mount. And dyeing gear. And primals all modes. And pvp. Plus you should be given your relic. And housing for free. Plus all aetherlytes unlocked without having to travel to them before. Plus 2000 myth and philo. Plus ct and bcob access. Heavens forbid you have to work towards something in a mmo and look forward to unlocking it.

That's one of the appeals of this game for me. My first MMO was WoW. However challenge went out the door a good while back, and now the game has become a pay to win. One of my favorite parts about GOOD MMO's, is working towards a goal. This game still has its challenging content, especially in regards to late dungeons. If you want to get something you have to work towards it. And Glamours is a nice golden jewel waiting for us at level 50 for our lowbie alts. My main character will get access right away after I do the quest.

Overall, I believe SE made the right call. If you are given every vanity system right at the start, and without limitations, then what would you be striving for? With my alts, I got a goal to work towards. And as I level them and collect gear, I can find the right colors and style I want for my glamours for them. My paladin for instance, I really love the steel scale set. But that's right now in the mid 30's. Maybe the Mythril version will be even more awesome. Leveling and seeing for the first time with my chosen dye colors, the crafted gear, I can have a desired outfit by the time I get to 50.

It doesn't invalidate the gear you see as you level up. The art department worked hard to create the equipment models, and I imagine they'd like folks as they level for the first time, to see all the styles for their chosen class/job. Example, casters as we level will have at one point or another, 1 of 6 chest piece type:

Dalmatica
Robe
Halfrobe
Cowl
Gown
Bliaud

I know the first time I leveled this character I most definitely wore each of the 6 items at one point or another. The design team put a lot of effort into this gear, so if we were able to glamour right at level 1, there's a big chance no one would see this gear past level 15 on any char. The people would farm dungeons for the really unique gear, like acolytes, foestriker, etc.

We probably still might see a lot of them gears. Mine however, wont be those at all. My current glamour plan is woolen hat, cotton dalmatica, cotton halfgloves, cotton breeches, and I think it was aldgoat boots. And with Myth now going to be easier to obtain (replacing philo in easiness) I will be able to upgrade from vanya to the myth set, and work on upgrading my weapon. Glamour will allow me to keep my desired outfit. Not too worried about weapon looks though.

Overall, I'm in agreement with SE on making it level 50 to unlock. Having to earn a vanity system instead of just having it handed to you on a silver platter is the spirit of an MMO, and gives players who aren't 50, a reason to get to 50.

[Radacci]

I actually agree with this. Dyes, Barbershop, etc are either super simple (pour the dyes on your clothes or call an npc). But Glamour seems to be a complex casting of magic. Definitely seems lore wise, to be something advanced that only the most seasoned adventurer could hope to master. And it is a really nice perk for reaching level 50.

yah, communicating with elementals, manipulating forces of nature, instantly healing any non-leathal damage, raising people from the dead, making magical barriers, etc...is all simple things, compared to changing the appearance of clothes.

[Felis]

yah, communicating with elementals, manipulating forces of nature, instantly healing any non-leathal damage, raising people from the dead, making magical barriers, etc...is all simple things, compared to changing the appearance of clothes.

If you are a conjurer, yes
It's their job after all. Not to work with illusion magic on clothes.

[Ashgarth]

Greetings,
We spoke to the development team about this, but they currently do not have any plans to modify this armor to fit the Glamours system.

Could you ask the development team what's suposed to be the use of the Odin armor then?

[Blackweaver]

yah, communicating with elementals, manipulating forces of nature, instantly healing any non-leathal damage, raising people from the dead, making magical barriers, etc...is all simple things, compared to changing the appearance of clothes.

Alright firstly, I don't believe we raise people from the dead. That would make healers into necromancers. I believe when a persons HP reaches zero, they aren't dead, they are knocked out. Raise is basically reviving them back to consciousness. Conjurer's are about nature magic. Just like Black Mages are about element magic, scholars and summoners are about aether manipulation. None of them are about illusionary magic. Illusion magic is often used by voidsents, like some of the leve's where you have to break their illusions to find them and defeat them. More than likely the level 50 quest will be playing off that, which means, it is a type of magic adventurer magic users would not have access too, and would be considered advanced.

[Andres_Lonegrief]

Alright firstly, I don't believe we raise people from the dead. That would make healers into necromancers. I believe when a persons HP reaches zero, they aren't dead, they are knocked out. Raise is basically reviving them back to consciousness. Conjurer's are about nature magic. Just like Black Mages are about element magic, scholars and summoners are about aether manipulation. None of them are about illusionary magic. Illusion magic is often used by voidsents, like some of the leve's where you have to break their illusions to find them and defeat them. More than likely the level 50 quest will be playing off that, which means, it is a type of magic adventurer magic users would not have access too, and would be considered advanced.

SMN / SCH / ACN can cast "resurrection" though, so ... draw your own conclusions. Anyway, we can like this system or not but we can't say it isn't complicated

[Daenerys_Sedai]

not sayin that Arenanet is trolling SE, but they announced their wardrobe system which seems to be everything that players want (even previews of armors you don't even have)
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/i...rdrobe-system/

[Naunet]

The development team designed this system with the concept that it would be something fun to look forward to using once you reach level 50.

This is, quite bluntly, a terrible, terrible decision. Please take a look around at other vanity systems in MMOs to realize the development team's stupidity on this. If someone is leveling a character and they get some armor they really like and want to continue wearing its look, they should be able to. Playing in a look that you like is the entire point of a vanity system.

You will need to purchase a glamour item crafted by another player in order to glamour each item you want. Chances are pretty good they are going to be hella expensive, at least 10k a pop. A pre-level 50 character doesn't have the gil to waste on vanity. The developers are doing you a favor.

With all due respect, I neither need nor want SE telling me what I can or cannot do with my funds when it comes to a perfectly legitimate market.

Incidentally, I've always touted Rift's vanity system as one of the best out there. Turns out, it's not the only out there anymore - WildStar's got the whole package, too. A system based around separate costume slots instead of reskinning, no restrictions on class gear (a light armor-wearer can equip heavy armor in their costume slots and vice versa), multiple costume sets, freaking TICKY BOXES for displaying or hiding each individual piece (with the exception of weapons - a bit frustrating for me playing an esper, as I can't even unsheath my weapon)... If only SE knew how to design actually good fluff content. >_>;

[edit] @Daenerys: Good lord. It's like every other MMO out there understands these things better than SE. What, are they living in a box? Do they not understand that it's a good thing to see what the competition is doing and take ideas that work (improving upon them when possible)??

If you are given every vanity system right at the start, and without limitations, then what would you be striving for?

This is absurd. You're really trying to say that there's nothing to strive towards when leveling to 50? Really? How about, oh, the whole rest of the game.

[zaviermhigo]

I like that people think this system won't have to do with crafters, and that you won't have to pay gil for prisms. Honestly, if you can't pay 10k gil for a prism at first, where is all your gil going? I sit on 1 mil gil, only thing I've had to spend it on is melding crafting sets/dark matter or repairs. That's the only thing we'll probably have to meld again coming 2.2 unless their "materia changes" are coming out. Vanity wasn't an awesome feature, its just another gil sink, so SE can take my the gil I have nothing to spend on anyway. I don't really care you need a 50 to do it, since most people already have a 50 at this point. The only thing I can think of it is, it might be harder for ps4/steam release new people.