Archer infinite arrows and its role

[Physic]

what about mages? cast from afar too and dont waste consumables in order to.......

lets force mage to waste consumables for everyspell caster , Black magic scroll x999 , White magic scroll x999 .....

anyway with FFXIV multiclass system huh?

and archers being somewhat OP isnt a good reason to force a class to pay...... because inst rangers fault , is SE fault

mages have a resource management with spells, and their darts do very little dmg. Mana is ammunition, if you want to make infinite arrows with mana as a resource management, that could work.

their OPness isnt the point, its the basic advantages and disadvantages of ranged attacking. IRL and in game, one of the big advantages to a melee weapon is, it doesnt run out. the disadvantage to using rocks, arrows or bullets is that you have a finite amount of attacks, the advantage is being able to attack from relative safety, and it is safety, even with monsters with ranged attacks, their real dangerous skills are thier TP skills.

as for unloading 4 attacks without getting agro, its very easy really. multishot is 3 arrows, the way taunt/voke/etc work is it makes it so the enemy cannot attack someone for a time. Also with buffs being large hate, it is pretty easy for a coordinated tank effort to hold hate even past the intial 4 arrow rush, into the 4 arrow+ WS rush.
Also since fleet of the foot gives you greater run speed than 90% of monsters, you still are never in danger of being weapon skilled, unless you decide to risk it for more damage.

there is no reason you should be able to any type of decent damage from the relative safety of range, without any resource management. unless they want to heavily nerf your damage, so that the advantage of being ranged is just that you take less damage.

[Warlyx]

mages have a resource management with spells, and their darts do very little dmg. Mana is ammunition, if you want to make infinite arrows with mana as a resource management, that could work.

their OPness isnt the point, its the basic advantages and disadvantages of ranged attacking. IRL and in game, one of the big advantages to a melee weapon is, it doesnt run out. the disadvantage to using rocks, arrows or bullets is that you have a finite amount of attacks, the advantage is being able to attack from relative safety, and it is safety, even with monsters with ranged attacks, their real dangerous skills are thier TP skills.

as for unloading 4 attacks without getting agro, its very easy really. multishot is 3 arrows, the way taunt/voke/etc work is it makes it so the enemy cannot attack someone for a time. Also with buffs being large hate, it is pretty easy for a coordinated tank effort to hold hate even past the intial 4 arrow rush, into the 4 arrow+ WS rush.
Also since fleet of the foot gives you greater run speed than 90% of monsters, you still are never in danger of being weapon skilled, unless you decide to risk it for more damage.

there is no reason you should be able to any type of decent damage from the relative safety of range, without any resource management. unless they want to heavily nerf your damage, so that the advantage of being ranged is just that you take less damage.

so u are ok if Rngs are the best DD ingame , because they pay for arrrows?

that isnt worked for FFXI rangers :P (i took a while but....)

Consumables are "ok" dont get me wrong , but the problem is having to rely on a craft in order to fullfill your class to 100%

or u can buy lvl 1 arrows.........................

[Richard]

so u are ok if Rngs are the best DD ingame , because they pay for arrrows?

that isnt worked for FFXI rangers :P (i took a while but....)

Consumables are "ok" dont get me wrong , but the problem is having to rely on a craft in order to fullfill your class to 100%

or u can buy lvl 1 arrows.........................

you're still equating buying mats to be the most OP in the game? have you ever played THM in current "endgame" content? THM > ARC DPS overtime. Guess what...THM uses mana for it's DPS. Just like ARC uses arrows. It's always equivalent exchange. You don't have to rely on a craft to fulfill your ARC to 100%. My CRP is R23 and I don't plan on touching it for a while. I go out and farm Vultures and Arihmans and Silver and Cedar for my Silver Arrows for maybe an hour and I have enough stacks to last me over a month.

and HOLY CRAP YOUR ARC is R25. Why are you posting here? You should be using Warped Arrows until R50 regardless. ofc you wouldn't know that THM > ARC or what time it really takes to get "good" arrows at higher levels. Just go buy your warped arrows and get off the forums and go level.

[Warlyx]

you're still equating buying mats to be the most OP in the game? have you ever played THM in current "endgame" content? THM > ARC DPS overtime. Guess what...THM uses mana for it's DPS. Just like ARC uses arrows. It's always equivalent exchange. You don't have to rely on a craft to fulfill your ARC to 100%. My CRP is R23 and I don't plan on touching it for a while. I go out and farm Vultures and Arihmans and Silver and Cedar for my Silver Arrows for maybe an hour and I have enough stacks to last me over a month.

and HOLY CRAP YOUR ARC is R25. Why are you posting here? You should be using Warped Arrows until R50 regardless. ofc you wouldn't know that THM > ARC or what time it really takes to get "good" arrows at higher levels. Just go buy your warped arrows and get off the forums and go level.

holy crap!!!!! low lvl ppl cant have opinions in this forum!!!!!!

u bringed the RL card (rofl @ RL military situations) before ,and now u bring the Low lvl ?

WHY IM POSTING HERE? who are u to ask me that ? .....no1

enough already

[Physic]

so u are ok if Rngs are the best DD ingame , because they pay for arrrows?

that isnt worked for FFXI rangers :P (i took a while but....)

Consumables are "ok" dont get me wrong , but the problem is having to rely on a craft in order to fullfill your class to 100%

or u can buy lvl 1 arrows.........................

no i dont think dps should equal cost, i said they pay for being able to attack from safety, archer is probably the safest dps in the game, maybe thaum, but since thaum depends on mana, and has shorter range, and casting times, its hard to say

[SeraviEdalborez]

Checked with the development team about making it possible to use arrows infinitely. With the recipe fixes in patch 1.19 it will be possible to make arrows easily. We'll continue to look into adjustments and refinements after implementation based on all of your feedback.

Implies...

Instead of infinite arrows, we're making them even easier to make. See how that works for a bit. We're not considering implementing infinite yet.

I don't know about you but I only spend about 200 (maybe far less) arrows on a set of leves, ~100 (VERY generous estimate) per NM fight. A stack is 999. You can carry 2 stacks and realistically be set for (almost) a week. Are we just arguing for the sake of it now? How easy does it have to get?

[Chezen]

If you don't speak up, chances are the devs might start listening to the other crowd, so you're right to speak your mind op.

I like having to get arrows too. It adds realism and charm to the class. I'm for streamlining games to a point, but there comes a point you might as well let the game play for you. I like having to get the right arrows for the job, and managing those arrows. I even like making sure I have funds for them, while working on my crafting so I can make my own.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Money isn't even an issue right now. I don't know about arrow prices on your servers but I can do a full set of leves for gil and buy another stack (that I didn't even use up) with money to spare. Even if I didn't already make my own or use Warped.

Edit in light of below: And if you do make your own arrows you generally have a lot to go on. 12 of each material would yield 4 stacks. Just under 4000 arrows.

[Shneibel]

I do agree with the OP, instead of "infinite arrows" there should be a quiver bag so the player can carry more arrow. The cost to craft arrows is not expensive

[RedAffinity]

The solution here is to have base-infinite arrows, and allow players to upgrade arrows by equipping arrows they've crafted/purchased if they so choose. If they don't have the $$$ or the inventory, or simply run out during a long battle then they can still function as a true Archer. They just won't have the benefits of equipped arrows such as increased damage, defense down (like acid arrows) etc.. etc..

that's just my idea