Men in Dresses

[ExKage]

but I can accept you are gay I find it messed up.

This. Right here, this, is why people say mean things. If you don't see why there's something "messed up" about this type of statement, nothing I say can help ya.

Can people, please, get over the fact that guys who wear dresses MAY OR MAY NOT be gay or transgender? It's not a QUILTBAG issue. It's not like all guys who want to wear dresses are gay or that all gay guys want to wear dresses. It's highly insulting to people's character and being.

[Taruranto]

Sure they have the right to do what they want freely just not in this game, it cannot go one way 1 half says NO and of course the other half says yes.

Either way we will never see eye to eye and that's why it will never happen because of what I just said me which my way life goes on but your guys way you'll complain and call people names and tell SE they are heartless and that's what I meant about forcing the hand to get what you want even if you have to step on the ones who don't wanna see it. I don't care if you are gay have fun with that its not a issue but when you cant accept something I don't wanna see but I can accept you are gay I find it messed up.

I don't want to see cat people.

[HeroSamson]

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I think you took it the wrong way, I meant you guys can't accept the word No. that is whats messed up.

Prove to me you can accept No.

[Rex]

OMG it's you! *Goes into fangirl mode* I just watched your video of you getting beat up by that lala and catgirl....

Loved it.

HAHA So it is!!!!


I saw that recently too! HI-LAR-ious.

[HeroSamson]

I don't want to see cat people.

Well I wanted to be a elvaan but my wife didn't want me to be one also I can understand they run like a pencil, they have long necks their faces look all jacked up.

when they sprint they have no movement they move their hands on their sides like the T-1000 on terminator. If they fixed all those issues I wouldn't be a cat, I would be the elvaan I was on Bismarck.

[Odett]

Sure they have the right to do what they want freely just not in this game, it cannot go one way 1 half says NO and of course the other half says yes.

Either way we will never see eye to eye and that's why it will never happen because of what I just said me which my way life goes on but your guys way you'll complain and call people names and tell SE they are heartless and that's what I meant about forcing the hand to get what you want even if you have to step on the ones who don't wanna see it. I don't care if you are gay have fun with that its not a issue but when you cant accept something I don't wanna see but I can accept you are gay I find it messed up.

What becomes problematic about your way of thinking is not that you have the right to an opinion (that's something that can never be taken away from you), but this is not just a simple "yes" or "no" situation due to the following reason: one side wants to have the OPTION available for male characters to wear dresses, and the other side wants to impose their opinion upon the entire population in order to restrict self-expression. Do you see the problem now? No one is forcing anyone to wear dresses, we're saying that you should have the freedom to do so if that is what you want. On the other hand, you wish to restrict self-expression because something makes you uncomfortable or for any other personal reason, which is selfish and inconsiderate.

[Mhaeric]

Okay answer this does a preacher have the right to say no to same sex marriage? simple question.

Yes. Religion is a protected class, and a preacher cannot be forced to perform a religious ceremony that is against that religion's teachings. This, however, does not extend to anything that a member or group of said religion does. It only applies to the actual application of the religion itself. E.g. If your church operates a hall as a business, it cannot restrict anyone from the use of that hall for any reason because the hall itself is not a function of that religion. It would be able to restrict the use of the chapel itself for such purpose, however, because the chapel operates as a function of the religion itself.

Then my second question does Square Enix have the right to say No to the dresses?

Companies do not have rights. If a company chooses to restrict options based on gendered assumptions, they can do so. However, it does not mean we have to accept it, nor does it mean that arguing in support of having the option means we are throwing a temper tantrum because we are not getting our way. This is no different than making a request for any other feature or addition, except that there is significant vocal opposition to it for reasons that extend beyond just the feature itself.

Do I have a right to my opinion or does your opinion the only one that matters, that's where you guys just don't get it.

You have a right to your opinion. You do not have a right to force that opinion on others when it would limit their rights. That is where you just don't get it.

[Versiroth]

You have a right to your opinion. You do not have a right to force that opinion on others when it would limit their rights. That is where you just don't get it.

Irony... FTW.

[Mhaeric]

Irony... FTW.

Please explain how someone else wearing a dress in any way limits the rights of another person.

Or to extend it further in scale, please explain how granting rights to LGBT people in any way limits the rights of non-LGBT people.

[Versiroth]

Please explain how someone else wearing a dress in any way limits the rights of another person.

Because they're religious and don't want to see men wearing girly dresses? Or they think such things would cheapen their experience? If you have the right to want to see men wearing frilly dresses, then others have the right to not want to see men wearing frilly dresses. Stop acting like your opinions and play preferences should override others. There's absolutely nothing wrong with them disagreeing with you.