Please Release a Difficult 24-Man

[Airikay]

I'd even settle for how they claimed CT would be right below Coil. As it stands its faceroll easy and I'd put the level of difficulty between the 2.0 and 2.1 4 man dungeons. The only time you ever really have an issue is sometimes trolls the first pull and tail swips alliance or an OT doesn't want to grab IG. But really a BLM can tank them easy. Nothing about it is really that difficult. I'd even settle for something tuned to the lower turns in Coil.

And to above poster, most that want a harder 24 man dont even care about loot. Just want a challenge, something that can be fun.

[Odett]

I understand that, but loot will play a part in the equation whether we want it or not. There are people that care less about loot and more content like you and I, but there must still be loot in these hypothetical new dungeons, and all I'm saying is that SE should handle the iLv and distribution with care.

I also hate faceroll content and if things are like we hope, then the next CT will be a step down from the new turns of BC, but nowhere near as easy as it is now. I am all for making CT harder, but less for making more content require 24 players or scale to 24 players for the reasons I've listed above.

[Gesser]

Yes but CT is jokishly easy...

If people want to experience the content who are casual & can't handle as difficult...

SE could provide an echo-buff option with reduced ilvl loot (in comparison to non-Echo'd defeat).

[C-croft]

I just want to mention to the people saying CT is all vanity. While it is somewhat easy enough to get ilvl90, CT is more than just vanity for many people. Like my healers for example. Its a stepping stone either for alts or in between DL and coil.

[Gesser]

What about 16-man rather...

Less headache of 24 ppl, less stringent "raw player" requirement making it more readily avail. to smaller FC's.

[silentwindfr]

i'm against make content for large FC only, it will simply hurt a lot people not part of them.
more important, the game was not designed for large FC at the start and now the large FC ask the game to adapt to them need. when you see that the harder content is at 8, why make an FC of 30+ people?
other point people often use the FC like they are in an LS, meaning, the FC become the community at which they belong, when FC normally must serve as gathering of people with who you play most of the time.

i know that some guild have come from other game and have large group, sadly as the game is, the harder content it's for 8 people. it's easier to balance it, easier to make challenging content for 8 people than 24 people. i doubt they will add more challenging content that only for large FC with special reward only.

[Gesser]

Right now content is only for small FC's in a sense however... how is that equitable to the large group of friends who want to experience content together... it works both ways.

If you have a small FC, novel idea, make friends with another small FC & pair up from time to time. MMO's are meant to be social to some degree anyway...

Also, it could be that players have the option or pugging the remaining alliance or two, similar to CT.

[Sessurea]

Wrong game. Hard enough to recruit for difficult 8 man content as it is. Imagine 24 man? In the same vein that Yoshi p doesn't want content that favours no life grinders, I doubt he wants to add content that is basically large FC - only.

24 man content will remain easy mode in this game. The next ct instalment will be of similar difficulty to the current one.

[Jinko]

Wrong game. Hard enough to recruit for difficult 8 man content as it is. Imagine 24 man? In the same vein that Yoshi p doesn't want content that favours no life grinders, I doubt he wants to add content that is basically large FC - only.

24 man content will remain easy mode in this game. The next ct instalment will be of similar difficulty to the current one.

Agree, the problem is though they are releasing the hard 8 man content before the easier 24 man content which is totally backwards.

By the time the next CT comes out everyone will be walking around in Alagan 2 and AF2.

CT looks like it was designed as a gearing up raid for coils, but because they have it backwards it doesn't work as intended.

[kukurumei]

CT looks like it was designed as a gearing up raid for coils, but because they have it backwards it doesn't work as intended.

No it was intended, you not liking it doesn't mean it's bad.

2.0 without CT meant only the hardcore can push through coil and their i73 gear, fighting an uphill battle for months until they peiced together enough gear from myth and alligan. Bascially 5% of the user based even attempted coil much less got pass turn 1/2.

2.1 bridge that gap with CT drops that enabled higher ilvl average. You had i70+i80+i90 to mix and match, making a lot more people attempting coil and winning it.

without ct: upper echon of the population at end game
with CT: large population attempting coil

2.0 for the world hardcore
2.1 for the normals catch up
2.2 hard core
2.3 normals catch up

It's a decent system.