Thread: 2.2 Retainers via Microtransactions

Originally Posted by chococo

The point is, you pay for retainers to gather for you, whereas otherwise you would need to put the effort yourselves.

It's like I can walk a block and get home vs. I'll ride a taxi to go home.

but you can only gather 1 item/time/retainer and it is an hour before you can get the item. If you teleport to X location to gather, you might be able to gather 2-3 of the materials you need for the craft while the retainer can only gather 1.

The way I can see how retainer gather can work effective is for them to gather material drop from mobs like the apkalu eggs where there are huge competition between player.

So if you ask me, I might as well go and gathering myself because it is more effective and the jobs done faster

Originally Posted by Susanoh

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Remember: SE is a business first, they are not your friends. So it may seem like "double dipping" but what company wouldn't make a profit when they see it?

Originally Posted by Tupsi

Remember: SE is a business first, they are not your friends. So it may seem like "double dipping" but what company wouldn't make a profit when they see it?

It's for this precise reason that we as consumers need to call them out when they do things we don't agree with. Being a business does not give SE free reign to do whatever the heck they want and damn the consequences, nor does it mean we get zero say in what goes on. There are two sides to the equation and the whole system breaks into an unbalanced mess if one side refuses to participate.

Unfortunately, too many consumers have grown complacent.

Originally Posted by Tupsi

Remember: SE is a business first, they are not your friends. So it may seem like "double dipping" but what company wouldn't make a profit when they see it?

Yeah, SE is a business, not our friends, and they'll milk their customers for every penny they're worth if they think they can get away with it.

As a consumer, I get to choose whether I participate in their cash shop on top of a subscription fee, and I'm free to point out when companies are clearly offering a bad value to their customers.

Originally Posted by Susanoh

lol, don't worry about it. It just seemed as though you were against people voicing their negative opinions in the post I quoted. Personally I think people voicing negative opinions can be a good thing at times. In some cases it can actually shift the course of a product (example: Xbox One).

Most likely nothing will come of this discussion, but if enough people were to complain, and SE decided to change their course of action and refrain from offering their future bonuses through microtransactions in order to keep their user base happy, I doubt too many would complain.

Then again many do not know about these upcoming changes since they don't camp the forums.

Also I don't think this case will bring people to come here and vote against it.
But we will see, tomorrow we will know more.

Originally Posted by Felis

Oh, sure
And this is the reason they removed the 3$/month each character slot fee, right?
Or extended the free time in 1.0 over 1 year, right?
Or gave us a 2nd retainer for free without a fee, right?
Or gave everyone who payed during 1.0 for at least 3 months a livetime discount, right?

The point is, you don't need to buy a retainer. You can also get it for free with an extra character (which don't cost anything anymore in ARR).
It help only to transfer the items between the retainers easier.
The paid retainers are something you don't really need if you don't want them. If you need extra storage slots (for items that are not character bounded) and selling slots, there is always the way to get it for free.

Why did all those complaining about it not being good to buy for extra retainers because of MB slots think about this?

You just remembered me about it, who cares if we pay for extra retainers or not ? We cam make more of them on other characters.

Originally Posted by Felis

Oh, sure
And this is the reason they removed the 3$/month each character slot fee, right?
Or extended the free time in 1.0 over 1 year, right?
Or gave us a 2nd retainer for free without a fee, right?
Or gave everyone who payed during 1.0 for at least 3 months a livetime discount, right?

Yes, because they knew they wouldn't get away with it and they wanted to prevent people to leave the game