Thread: 2.2 Retainers via Microtransactions

Originally Posted by Songi

What you're not realizing is, this is just the beginning of how a game evolves into p2w.

I think that some people (including this post) are over reacting on what most likely be a simple "storage" feature. XI technically had it and it didn't "Evolve" into P2W, this game won't either. Why would they have to? They have 500k+ Subs still.

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/03/14...players-japan/

“If we go by the amount of people who log in each day, it’s about 500,000 people worldwide. There are people who also log in at least once every two days, so if we were to include those, the the figure would be much higher.”

They have no reason to make this game like a F2P P2W game.

Pay 2 Win is something that directly affects your character that gives you an unfair advantage with real money. Even if it's the worst case scenario and the Retainers bring you 7 Alagoat skins per 2 hours... and you buy 3 retainers does that really effect your character at all? No it doesn't but it could effect the economy.

Originally Posted by Starlord

I think that some people (including this post) are over reacting on what most likely be a simple "storage" feature. XI technically had it and it didn't "Evolve" into P2W, this game won't either. Why would they have to? They have 500k+ Subs still.

Ok can we please stop comparing this to FFXI's workaround for extra storage? I didnt play FFXI for much but iirc, you paid for an extra toon, not more bank slots. FFXI has (or at least had a very long time ago, feel free to correct me if im wrong) a cheaper sub fee for one character, then charged a slightly higher sub for more. A different version of what we have now so to speak. That is/was their pay model. Players decided to use it in a different way to have extra storage space. If they offered more space or *gasp* allowed us to make mules for those of us who pay the full $15 in FFXIV, this wouldnt be a problem. But I guess now we know why most other p2p MMO's dont restrict sending mail to alts because of "RMT." In fact, if I had my tinfoil hat on ... id say this has been planned for a while now and both SE and Yoshi have been b/s'ing us about this whole issue.

Originally Posted by Kayo

Ok can we please stop comparing this to FFXI's workaround for extra storage? I didnt play FFXI for much but iirc, you paid for an extra toon, not more bank slots. FFXI has (or at least had a very long time ago, feel free to correct me if im wrong) a cheaper sub fee for one character, then charged a slightly higher sub for more. A different version of what we have now so to speak. That is/was their pay model. Players decided to use it in a different way to have extra storage space. If they offered more space or *gasp* allowed us to make mules for those of us who pay the full $15 in FFXIV, this wouldnt be a problem. But I guess now we know why most other p2p MMO's dont restrict sending mail to alts because of "RMT." In fact, if I had my tinfoil hat on ... id say this has been planned for a while now and both SE and Yoshi have been b/s'ing us about this whole issue.

Not going to stop comparing because it is essentially the same thing. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Kayo

LOL ... well I guess I cant argue with such great points like those! You heard it here first folks deliberately selling extra bank space like a full fledged F2P game while alt mail is prohibited is "ESSENTIALLY" the same as making an entire other alt you can play and level separately while being allowed to exchange items.

What points does this thread as a whole even have? In what way does selling Retainers ( storage space) make a player P2W? Even with this whole Retainer Venture deal, it's not like they are giving you "gear". So how in the heck is any of this P2W? Changing your character (visually) is a "Microtransaction" Are you going to tell me that people are going to P2W off of Character appearance? >.>.

450 free space (100 inventory 350 retainer spaces). Do people honestly need any more than this? >.>