2.2 Retainers via Microtransactions

**Kayo** · 03-20-2014 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Starlord

I think that some people (including this post) are over reacting on what most likely be a simple "storage" feature. XI technically had it and it didn't "Evolve" into P2W, this game won't either. Why would they have to? They have 500k+ Subs still.

Ok can we please stop comparing this to FFXI's workaround for extra storage? I didnt play FFXI for much but iirc, you paid for an extra toon, not more bank slots. FFXI has (or at least had a very long time ago, feel free to correct me if im wrong) a cheaper sub fee for one character, then charged a slightly higher sub for more. A different version of what we have now so to speak. That is/was their pay model. Players decided to use it in a different way to have extra storage space. If they offered more space or *gasp* allowed us to make mules for those of us who pay the full $15 in FFXIV, this wouldnt be a problem. But I guess now we know why most other p2p MMO's dont restrict sending mail to alts because of "RMT." In fact, if I had my tinfoil hat on ... id say this has been planned for a while now and both SE and Yoshi have been b/s'ing us about this whole issue.

**Xellos2099** · 03-20-2014 03:56 AM

Actually no, xi back then was 12.99 for the first character and 1 dollar for every character afterward. Like it oir not 99% of the population used them as mule and garden mule, nothing more.

**Starlord** · 03-20-2014 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by Kayo

Ok can we please stop comparing this to FFXI's workaround for extra storage? I didnt play FFXI for much but iirc, you paid for an extra toon, not more bank slots. FFXI has (or at least had a very long time ago, feel free to correct me if im wrong) a cheaper sub fee for one character, then charged a slightly higher sub for more. A different version of what we have now so to speak. That is/was their pay model. Players decided to use it in a different way to have extra storage space. If they offered more space or *gasp* allowed us to make mules for those of us who pay the full $15 in FFXIV, this wouldnt be a problem. But I guess now we know why most other p2p MMO's dont restrict sending mail to alts because of "RMT." In fact, if I had my tinfoil hat on ... id say this has been planned for a while now and both SE and Yoshi have been b/s'ing us about this whole issue.

Not going to stop comparing because it is essentially the same thing. Sorry.

**Kaaylryn** · 03-21-2014 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Kayo

But I guess now we know why most other p2p MMO's dont restrict sending mail to alts because of "RMT." In fact, if I had my tinfoil hat on ... id say this has been planned for a while now and both SE and Yoshi have been b/s'ing us about this whole issue.

I guess I have my tinfoil hat on also. I always thought it was bizarre not to be able to mail anything to alts due to RMT. And I have never played a p2p game that cost RL money for more bank or inventory space. It was always bought with in game currency. Inventory space is not a vanity item and the armoire is too limited to be of any real use. I have to agree that this sounds premeditated.

**Immut** · 03-20-2014 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Songi

What you're not realizing is, this is just the beginning of how a game evolves into p2w.

No, no it is not.

I've played actual P2W games. This is not that.

I was going to tell you about Archlord, my first taste of an actual P2W game, but there's not enough room here to type it all out. Suffice to say, it was an open pvp game that sold equipment and ridiculous stat boosts, like 20%.

The P2W model is designed to fail. They launch, they attract people, and they wait for someone to spend hundreds or even thousands on the cash shop, then curbstomp the entire playerbase as an unstoppable dollar powered juggernaut. Then everyone quits and they license it to some American sucker like Codemasters or Aria Games.

It's designed around giving paying customers the ability to make nonpaying customers angry at video games. Not shaving 10 minutes off your gathering trip.

And you don't need that HQ bat fang you've been saving, clean out your retainer.

**ReplicaX** · 03-20-2014 02:15 AM

Vanilla 1.0 was setup to have an additional fee for extra retainers. Due to the obvious nightmare launch it was never put in place. This doesn't surprise me one bit.

**KupoNuts** · 03-20-2014 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Arkghyom

Bye, we'll miss you!

Such constructive and meaningful answer.

Were you trying to be funny or sarcastic? Because neither worked.

**kevtaylor85** · 03-20-2014 02:31 AM

If they are going to implement any sort of micro-transactions, I'm out.

I guarantee it.

**Starlord** · 03-20-2014 02:33 AM

FFXI Extra Characters- Mules in most peoples eyes ( used for storing items, and in that game you got even LESS storage space 30 spaces.. need 6 Mules to roughly equal 1 retainer XD.
FFXIV Extra Retainers- Used for storing items.

The only difference is Extra Retainers give you A LOT more space. Not exactly sure how this equals- P2W It's not like your retainer is giving you the best gear in the game (or any gear for that manner) for free right?

This whole Retainer Venture thing could be something sort of a "Gobbie bag" type thing from FFXI, except as you level up your retainer you get more storage space.

Edit: Personally, I don't see why people need more then the 2 that they are giving. I have a feeling this feature won't be used a lot.

**Bizniztyme** · 03-20-2014 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by Starlord

FFXI Extra Characters- Mules in most peoples eyes ( used for storing items, and in that game you got even LESS storage space 30 spaces.. need 6 Mules to roughly equal 1 retainer XD.
FFXIV Extra Retainers- Used for storing items.

The only difference is Extra Retainers give you A LOT more space. Not exactly sure how this equals- P2W It's not like your retainer is giving you the best gear in the game (or any gear for that manner) for free right?

This whole Retainer Venture thing could be something sort of a "Gobbie bag" type thing from FFXI, except as you level up your retainer you get more storage space.

Edit: Personally, I don't see why people need more then the 2 that they are giving. I have a feeling this feature won't be used a lot.

It's probably just going to be for storage space just like your mule in ffxi and the only retainers you can level and send out on ventures are the ones you get in game.

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