The number of bad players are rising!

[Foo01]

Dungeons have ALWAYS been a group effort. If someone doesn't want to try to compromise in ANY way, why should we play with them?

..... You don't get what I mean. If I see someone spamming Blizzard III, and I politely try to give them advice on a rotation, and they refuse(this has happened btw), that is a problem. That is something they could do to "meet halfway".

......The type of person you seem to be mistaking me for.

I know you are playing devil advocate for them elitist. You don't have to be one to argue their point of view.

But seriously, the other player is using blizzard 3 because they think 3 is better than 1, do you not get that!? LOL. And you have the nerve to tell them to do other things.

Look I don't know how polite you were, and what led up to them lashing out, but it is rare that people not want to improve. They do NOT understand what they do not know. They are trying, and sometimes in the wrong way. They should be using blizzard 1 only, if they were NOT trying. But then again it would because they do NOT know what they do not know. Telling them to meet you halfway is just silly. The expectations that they would without you or me going out of our way to help them is simply a non-starter.

Once again, you pull down a branch for a 9 year-old to try to pluck the apple. Why can't they reach up and get it.... Well they need 4 more years of growth for starters. Or rather asking them to meet you half-way is a non-starter. And it is NOT because of the lack of trying.

[ispano]

But seriously, the other player is using blizzard 3 because they think 3 is better than 1, do you not get that!? LOL. And you have the nerve to tell them to do other things.

So no Fire spells at all, right?

Look I don't know how polite you were, and what led up to them lashing out, but it is rare that people not want to improve. They do NOT understand what they do not know. They are trying, and sometimes in the wrong way. They should be using blizzard 1 only, if they were NOT trying. But then again it would because they do NOT know what they do not know. Telling them to meet you halfway is just silly. The expectations that they would without you or me going out of our way to help them is simply a non-starter.

Once again, you pull down a branch for a 9 year-old to try to pluck the apple. Why can't they reach up and get it.... Well they need 4 more years of growth for starters. Or rather asking them to meet you half-way is a non-starter. And it is NOT because of the lack of trying.

Great way to ignore what i've said and using very bad analogies yet again. Don't use an analogy with something physically impossible to compare to something that's not physically impossible. If I give a BLM some advice, to use Fire in my previous example, and they lash out and refuse, they are in the wrong, if only for the lashing out. This is what I mean. There ARE a decent amount of people who treat games like this as 100% relaxation, which is fine by themselves or with those if a similar mindset. But that doesn't fly in a group, neither would my normal standards either, which is why I watch how the group does and pace myself that way. I don't overpull in a DF Brayflox hard for example, unless the healer asks or feels they are up to it. But does that mean each group should take much longer than normal because that BLM is just using Blizzard III and no Fire spells at all? Am I REALLY wrong for asking them to use Fire and alternate in an attempt to help the whole party?

[Foo01]

So no Fire spells at all, right?
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I don't know what you got against THM/BLMs. What if they want to be an ice wizard. What is so wrong with that. What makes you so sure you are right to tell them how they should play? You find all sorts in the duty finder.

I play a healer on and off, and on the duty finder I get tanks that does NOT or can NOT hold aggro. I don't lash out at them. I don't tell them how to play, I run towards the tank. If that is not enough, I tell the party I need help because I am getting mobbed. Surely enough, those that can will help and flash more or do whatever they want to get hold of the mobs more. Those that haven't got a clue.. well we wipe. After enough wipes, we vote abandon. It is all part of the game, sometimes it is just bad luck, just like the RNG. But you know what, it is very rare, I ran into one such players in the last 6 weeks. You make seem like they are all over the place.

But know this. I ran into this way more often, people trying to force other people to speedrun, tanks, dps, or healers. The odds are like almost 100% on duty roulette main story. Grabbing way more mobs than anyone has any business doing. Forcing people to skip cutscenes. These I see nearly once a day. Sometimes I can keep up, and sometimes I can't. I die, they wipe etc. But they almost always just run off without a word, without any attempt at communication or negotiation.

[ispano]

I don't know what you got against THM/BLMs. What if they want to be an ice wizard. What is so wrong with that. What makes you so sure you are right to tell them how they should play? You find all sorts in the duty finder.

I play a healer on and off, and on the duty finder I get tanks that does NOT or can NOT hold aggro. I don't lash out at them. I don't tell them how to play, I run towards the tank. If that is not enough, I tell the party I need help because I am getting mobbed. Surely enough, those that can will help and flash more or do whatever they want to get hold of the mobs more. Those that haven't got a clue.. well we wipe. After enough wipes, we vote abandon. It is all part of the game, sometimes it is just bad luck, just like the RNG. But you know what, it is very rare, I ran into one such players in the last 6 weeks. You make seem like they are all over the place.

But know this. I ran into this way more often, people trying to force other people to speedrun, tanks, dps, or healers. The odds are like almost 100% on duty roulette main story. Grabbing way more mobs than anyone has any business doing. Forcing people to skip cutscenes. These I see nearly once a day. Sometimes I can keep up, and sometimes I can't. I die, they wipe etc. But they almost always just run off without a word, without any attempt at communication or negotiation.

And that's what you keep skipping over. It's a GROUP effort. If people refuse to adapt, even just a tiny bit, to make said group effort go smoother, they are wrong. I don't care which side you come from.

Next, all over the place? No. But more common than the type you seem to be complaining about. I've seen the ones who want to speed run, who want people to skip cutscenes. Like one time I was tanking Praetorium, the other tank was brand new. I would not pull til he was there, and some people got upset. They could have kicked me too, which was the funny part, but never did. And here's the thing, this other tank was asking me about how he could help more. He got my comm, just for that. This is what i'm talking about.

[Foo01]

And that's what you keep skipping over. It's a GROUP effort. If people refuse to adapt, even just a tiny bit, to make said group effort go smoother, they are wrong. I don't care which side you come from.

I do NOT skip over it. I keep telling you there are some that just do that know and they won't know until they try and learn. You keep assuming they do not want to try, i.e. refuse to adapt. Actually the even the blizz 3 guy is trying to adapt, they just adapt wrong sometimes. Those that don't adapt are very few and they don't get very far.

[ispano]

I do NOT skip over it. I keep telling you there are some that just do that know and they won't know until they try and learn. You keep assuming they do not want to try, i.e. refuse to adapt. Actually the even the blizz 3 guy is trying to adapt, they just adapt wrong sometimes. Those that don't adapt are very few and they don't get very far.

No, you skipped over it. I'm talking about when you try to help them, and they still don't. I'm not talking about the VERY first run and the guy is doing it and no one has said anything. When you try to help, to help the group as a whole, and they refuse. In that instance, why should the tank(or other people really) stick around if they know that all that's going to happen is repeated wipes?

One of the most common comments i've seen by those who lash out when you try to help them or give advice. "Chill out, it's just a game" And when you do hundreds and hundreds of instances, you see these people. Sometimes less often, sometimes all the time.