The number of bad players are rising!

[givemeraptors]

This is a complicated problem that goes beyond "good players, bad players".

I admire your POV but I think it's a simple problem that boils down to rude players vs. polite players. There have been times where I have wanted a dungeon over faster and was impatient to get it done. But I would never harass my party for going slowly or wiping. I would simply try and give advice and assistance.

Unfortunately, few people want to teach, and many inexperienced players have been burned by the demands of inconsiderate people.

[Foo01]

Changing the naming from bad to rude, etc. does not change the fact that there will always be a self selected group of elitist who believe they are special. Furthermore they feel they have to right to call everyone else bad and treat them as such. That is fundamentally the problem.

They feel they have the right to subject everyone else to their expectations and demands, but it is actually they themselves that are actually bad, and bad for the community and the game. It does not matter that they put in more time or got better gear or they know the tactics better, it does NOT give them the right to belittle other players and mess up their experience by simple things like forcing people to skip cut scenes that they are seeing for the first time.

[ispano]

Changing the naming from bad to rude, etc. does not change the fact that there will always be a self selected group of elitist who believe they are special. Furthermore they feel they have to right to call everyone else bad and treat them as such. That is fundamentally the problem.

They feel they have the right to subject everyone else to their expectations and demands, but it is actually they themselves that are actually bad, and bad for the community and the game. It does not matter that they put in more time or got better gear or they know the tactics better, it does NOT give them the right to belittle other players and mess up their experience by simple things like forcing people to skip cut scenes that they are seeing for the first time.

Which means it's also not right for people on the other end of the spectrum to belittle people who put in more effort and time into the game either, because that happens just as much if not more often in my experience.

The idea is this, the so called "elitist" people that you are trying to describe, do exist. However, they come from a smaller chunk of the playerbase, whereas the mirror of that type of person comes from a much larger group.

[Foo01]

Which means it's also not right for people on the other end of the spectrum to belittle people who put in more effort and time into the game either, because that happens just as much if not more often in my experience.

The idea is this, the so called "elitist" people that you are trying to describe, do exist. However, they come from a smaller chunk of the playerbase, whereas the mirror of that type of person comes from a much larger group.

But those people one the other end of the spectrum probably don't even put enough time in to check the forums, much less make threads and calling other people bad. The idea that that there exist much larger group that belittle those select elitist is purely delusion. The distribution of the threads here clearly demonstrate that.

The elitist feel like they are that special snowflake or something. And that is how you get threads like these:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...cool-1.0-stuff!

I don't know why they feel so entitled.

[ispano]

But those people one the other end of the spectrum probably don't even put enough time in to check the forums, much less make threads and calling other people bad.

No, they don't. They just have a larger presence IN game, ie where we ALL play. And people who like to call out "elitists" always forget or ignore that.

And that is a good thing. They play and get along, and do NOT try to make problems like the elitists and speed runners abusing the duty finder. What is the problem there? That larger group is what makes the game possible and brings the community to life.

Wow, way over your head. No, the group i'm talking about DON'T do what you say. People always forget, a game like this, you need BOTH groups, even if one side is a smaller group, for the game to survive. The problem with mixed games, is BOTH sides need to work together in a group, not the "hardcore" players always only bringing themselves down every single time. And this is what I'm talking about, that large group who REFUSES to step it up even a tiny bit when in a group, because it's just a game, but the "elitists" have to drop down to them in a group? I'm sorry, that's wrong.

[Foo01]

No, they don't. They just have a larger presence IN game, ie where we ALL play. And people who like to call out "elitists" always forget or ignore that.

And that is a good thing. They play and get along, and do NOT try to make problems like the elitists and speed runners abusing the duty finder. What is the problem there? That larger group is what makes the game possible and brings the community to life.

[Zhi]

But those people one the other end of the spectrum probably don't even put enough time in to check the forums, much less make threads and calling other people bad. The idea that that there exist much larger group that belittle those select elitist is purely delusion. The distribution of the threads here clearly demonstrate that.

The elitist feel like they are that special snowflake or something. And that is how you get threads like these:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...cool-1.0-stuff!

I don't know why they feel so entitled.

Lol. /10char

[Amberion]

The elitist feel like they are that special snowflake or something. And that is how you get threads like these:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...cool-1.0-stuff!

I don't know why they feel so entitled.

So you think it's elitist to be upset when S-E breaks their word? They did state that the items would not be available in ARR.