The number of bad players are rising!

[RyuDragnier]

Toxic is appropriate as they poison the fun of other players. I don't get fun to get bashed and downed by someone but I do when the person help me and I achieve something I normally wouldn't have.

There's a difference between me asking a DRG to use their DoTs and Heavy Thrust, and telling him to do so. Yet I still get flamed for asking and get called a toxic player, despite the fact that I want the player to improve so he gets better and the run gets smoother. This happened to me yesterday, btw.

[LordSliver]

There's a difference between me asking a DRG to use their DoTs and Heavy Thrust, and telling him to do so. Yet I still get flamed for asking and get called a toxic player, despite the fact that I want the player to improve so he gets better and the run gets smoother. This happened to me yesterday, btw.

Yes this totally, I noticed making any kind of suggestion gets you yelled out or something by said person you are trying to help out or throw out ideas that might help.

[Leigaon]

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

Because you were once considered a bad player who had to have someone who knew what they were doing to tell you, so you pass it down to the next guy. I know you were never a "bad player", yes you were just no one told you because they knew you were new and could improve. We are expected to because that's how runs go from fail fests to wins.

There's nothing wrong with new people willing to learn, it's the lazy ones who get me. The ones who have Turn 5 / 6 gear and sit on AK boss letting orbs drop in hopes to DPS it down the final bit only to fail and realize they should of dropped that bomb some place else like they're suppose to. Or the elite guy who teaches the new people the burn way instead of the right way first and go from there.

"Look to those who walked before, to lead those who walk after"..I remember hearing that somewhere.

[Arkghyom]

So toxic...

[File2ish]

Toxic is appropriate as they poison the fun of other players. ...

So the new tanks and conjurers I played with in the first three dungeons are toxic? It wasn't too fun for me, so by your definition they were toxic players.

1 tank I ran into couldn't hold hate. I offered some advice and he (sort of) started picking up on the mechanics.

I ran into 2 conjurers who would ONLY SPAM Medica to heal. Offered advice, though one of them didn't really take it until the tank of that group mentioned Cure as well when he almost died (healer ran out of MP).

Are they toxic? Certainly not, they're new. Are they "bad" at the game? Maybe, maybe not. Can't really say since they're learning the ropes.

As ispano said; there are far more than two types of players.


And side note; People seem to get offended when a DD/DPS offers advice (was running as lancer and monk respectively, leveling them).

[Velo_Vandore]

There's a difference between me asking a DRG to use their DoTs and Heavy Thrust, and telling him to do so. Yet I still get flamed for asking and get called a toxic player, despite the fact that I want the player to improve so he gets better and the run gets smoother. This happened to me yesterday, btw.

Some people are pretty touchy and can't take polite suggestion well, but I wouldn't take it personally.

Actually, even a polite suggestion can surprisingly knock your ego (any of us). To discover we are the weak link when we thought we were doing well can be hard to accept. I guess when the party is failing, all we can do is offer our best suggestion politely and hope they will take it on board without feeling offended.

Personally, I admit I love getting bad players. I embrace the additional challenge as it keeps dungeons fresh. Actually, I know I shouldn't, but I love to try and account for other players weaknesses by changing my own play style, before I'll offer them suggestions for their own class. If that means my MP hits rock bottom as the healer and I have to use tactics I shouldn't have had to use, I'll never feel annoyed about it because it's more fun and keeps each run interesting. I'll admit though that when I'm on the other side of this in a new instance, I'm very aware when I have no clue what I'm doing and other players are silently carrying me with their overpowered gear, and I hate feeling that I'm not pulling my weight or understanding the tactics XD so I really shouldn't keep doing the same to others and should try to get the team working together as you try to do.

[Doo]

Because you were once considered a bad player who had to have someone who knew what they were doing to tell you, so you pass it down to the next guy. I know you were never a "bad player", yes you were just no one told you because they knew you were new and could improve. We are expected to because that's how runs go from fail fests to wins.

Not really, I learn on my own most of the time. I either make practice parties or do it with friends so we help each other out. I don't go into Twintania or fights that I don't belong in and expect everyone to take their time to teach me. That's a pretty selfish thing to do.

"I help, but I don't carry"

You don't get paid but at the end of the dungeon, you get myth/soldiery tome + loot which is the same.

In this case it would be the teacher getting paid the same as the student.

No one expects the good to teach the bad, however, if you complain that people are bad but aren't helping the problem then prepare to be bitched at for contributing to the problem.

So if I complain about crime but don't go out and put on a Bat suit to fight it, am I contributing to the problem?

[LordSliver]

I don't offer advice unless I see fails happening and even than I can only offer advice for other classes that my FC has told me about how certain things work. Right now I mainly only have rolled DPS classes, DRG and working on BLM so I am quite limited on what advice I can give.

[Lemon8or]

I play almost all jobs so I give advice when I can. Some people take it well, some just don't appreciate things. :/ Like I told a WHM and a SMN they can use Fluid Aura/Shockwave to push back the mage add in Levi EX and interrupts dreadstorm cast. The WHM took it well and use it next run. The SMN did not and just quit the party.

[JTribal]

One other thing I would like to point out - One of the reasons Duty Roullette was built was to ensure that newer players would have the opportunity to have someone else that has been through the dungeon on their team so they have some sort of advantage and do not run into a dungeon blind.

Yeah, your daily bonuses on myth, etc are another benefit from it, but maybe we should start being a little bit more thankful of the fact that, without the "noobs", we might not be getting some of the awesome bonuses that we get now for doing DR.