The number of bad players are rising!

[ispano]

Is it lonely on the pedestal of perfection? Did Kim Sung Senior take a page from your book, did you too, also walk out of your mother's womb with a full head of hair, at perfect posture and having already established yourself as a perfect specimen of human kind?

Please tell me where I may send my tributes, it appears I have been failing terribly to appropriately give them as due.

Sarcasm aside, I think his point is more like this. Why are they expected to teach EVERY SINGLE "bad" player they come across? Not just some, but practically everyone. Going off my experience, most "good" players have no problem teaching people. The problem is when it seems the type of person who is slow to learn and very needy in that department, is endless almost.

[XNihili]

Sarcasm aside, I think his point is more like this. Why are they expected to teach EVERY SINGLE "bad" player they come across? Not just some, but practically everyone. Going off my experience, most "good" players have no problem teaching people. The problem is when it seems the type of person who is slow to learn and very needy in that department, is endless almost.

Hopefully if you teach bad players, they might become a good players that will in turn teach to others bad players, thus reducing your "workload" on the long term.

[Doo]

Hopefully if you teach bad players, they might become a good players that will in turn teach to others bad players, thus reducing your "workload" on the long term.

That's only if you play on the same server and if they don't curse you out for giving them advice first.

Sarcasm aside, I think his point is more like this.

I already explained my point many times throughout this thread. People just all upset over a one liner that they don't understand the meaning of.

[XNihili]

That's only if you play on the same server and if they don't curse you out for giving them advice first.

Well there are a thing called diplomacy. I'm not talking about the "I'm right, I'm bigger, do as I tell you" diplomacy used by the dominant superpower. Some people called it hypocrisy but they are piss poor people that never managed to reach their goal

[Emtron]

That's only if you play on the same server and if they don't curse you out for giving them advice first.

I've yet to be cursed out for helping or offering advice typically from my experience if I'm in a group 4 man or 8 man if someone makes a mistake or dies there natural inclination is to apologize profusely as if to spare themselves from the full wraith of the group. Thats the sad part about some of the people in this game its like walking on egg shells patience goes a long way in making people better at the game not insults or put downs.

[Doo]

Thats the sad part about some of the people in this game its like walking on egg shells patience goes a long way in making people better at the game not insults or put downs.

This reminds me of what happened playing with another df sch in T4 last night. All he/she did was hit Physick every 5 seconds nothing else through like phase 5, mt dies, we wipe. Think he/she only used Adlo once and that was on herself. Seriously, how do players make it that far into the game without knowing how to play their roles more? Shouldn't be something you have to teach it's like basics.

[ispano]

Hopefully if you teach bad players, they might become a good players that will in turn teach to others bad players, thus reducing your "workload" on the long term.

In my experience though, it's not even about that. It's just that there are SO many that "need" the hand holding. And the people who don't aren't enough to compensate, so it's expected near all the time.

I've yet to be cursed out for helping or offering advice typically from my experience if I'm in a group 4 man or 8 man if someone makes a mistake or dies there natural inclination is to apologize profusely as if to spare themselves from the full wraith of the group. Thats the sad part about some of the people in this game its like walking on egg shells patience goes a long way in making people better at the game not insults or put downs.

I've seen it many times, and i've seen it not happen either. But the fact is it does happen. Having patience doesn't mean anything when the person doesn't care HOW you say it, just trying to tell them to play any way other than how they do already is grounds for insults.

[Emtron]

I've seen it many times, and i've seen it not happen either. But the fact is it does happen. Having patience doesn't mean anything when the person doesn't care HOW you say it, just trying to tell them to play any way other than how they do already is grounds for insults.

I've seen it too when someone says hey guys its my first time usually if its a tank or healer people tense up but from my experience when we explained to them the dungion/boss's fights and didn't ream them when they made a mistake they would seemingly over perform because wait for it they were in a non hostile environment. Saying things such as GJ *insert player name here* after the new player successfully does his job in a new instance goes a long way. But tomato tamato I'll just agree to disagree.

[ispano]

I've seen it too when someone says hey guys its my first time usually if its a tank or healer people tense up but from my experience when we explained to them the dungion/boss's fights and didn't ream them when they made a mistake they would seemingly over perform because wait for it they were in a non hostile environment. Saying things such as GJ *insert player name here* after the new player successfully does his job in a new instance goes a long way. But tomato tamato I'll just agree to disagree.

Except in my experience that doesn't happen as oiften. Making the environment non-hostile, doesn't change their views. It's still you trying to tell them how to play. Is it always that way? Of course not, but I've seen it more than not.