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    Quote Originally Posted by Siobahn View Post
    This is the STUPIDEST argument ever. People with certain skills teach teenagers because it's their JOB. They are TEACHERS who get PAID. When bads start paying me to teach them how to not derp, I'll be glad to do so.
    And who pays the teachers? Looks like your tax dollars at work. So either you do it or you pay someone else to do it for you. You don't derp all that well. In every case, it helps you in the long run when the people/players are educated and are able to contribute.

    BTW with a the large influx of inexperienced players, a.k.a. so called bads, showing up, could it be that influx was a contribution of the 50% off sale on steam not that long ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foo01 View Post
    And who pays the teachers? Looks like your tax dollars at work. So either you do it or you pay someone else to do it for you. You don't derp all that well. In every case, it helps you in the long run when the people/players are educated and are able to contribute.

    BTW with a the large influx of inexperienced players, a.k.a. so called bads, showing up, could it be that influx was a contribution of the 50% off sale on steam not that long ago?
    Than at the first week of February, Playstation had 50% sale on all Final Fantasy games on PSN. This dropped FFXIV:ARR to 20 bucks regular edition and 30 bucks collectors, I only remember this because 2 days before I brought FFXIV:ARR for 40 bucks on PSN. Did this because I knew the game would be digital no matter what and once you activate the game on your account it is locked there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foo01 View Post
    And who pays the teachers? Looks like your tax dollars at work. So either you do it or you pay someone else to do it for you. You don't derp all that well. In every case, it helps you in the long run when the people/players are educated and are able to contribute.

    BTW with a the large influx of inexperienced players, a.k.a. so called bads, showing up, could it be that influx was a contribution of the 50% off sale on steam not that long ago?
    Then the taxes they charge at the market board should be used to hire in game teachers. lolol I want to see my in gil taxes at work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noahlimits View Post
    Then the taxes they charge at the market board should be used to hire in game teachers. lolol I want to see my in gil taxes at work!
    They do, it is the duty roulette. They pay substitute teacher pay, i.e. the daily bonus, and you don't have to do it on a permanent basis.

    Or would rather SE formalize a teaching guild/FC where players sign up for duty, and have qualifications tests, and obligations to do and be paid out in gil? Shouldn't this be up to the players to form some open world FC to instruct the noobs?
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    Last edited by Foo01; 03-19-2014 at 06:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foo01 View Post
    They do, it is the duty roulette. They pay substitute teacher pay, i.e. the daily bonus, and you don't have to do it on a permanent basis.

    Or would rather SE formalize a teaching guild/FC where players sign up for duty, and have qualifications tests, and obligations to do and be paid out in gil? Shouldn't this be up to the players to form some open world FC to instruct the noobs?
    That's incorrect. Duty roulette is to help lowbies not wait hours for a party. The reward is for being put into dungeons that you normally might not participate in (example: how many times did you actually do Satasha after you hit level 16?). It isn't for experienced players to teach them how to play.

    For what you said on a teaching guild / fc, that was what the original point of guildhests were; for the game itself to teach you how to obey/follow mechanics. But seeing as how they're all face roll, they didn't/don't actually teach squat. Kill adds as they spawn? Naw, just burn the boss. That's pretty much how most of the guildhests go. Tons of bubbles spawning around the boss that you're supposed to ignore the acid ones? Naw, let's just ignore everything and burn the boss. Good idea, badly implemented.

    As far as it being up to the players to form an open world FC to instruct the new players, some already do. But most see those as progression FC's and quickly jump to a new one when they get what they want from it. Another reason people don't like helping newer players. This is a subject that isn't black and white. Anything that involves the personalities and personal skill sets of individual players has too many intangibles. Is the person being a jerk when they ask for help? Are they rejecting any advice you're giving? Do they ignore pleas to follow number marks? Do they give attitude when you say you're too busy to help them at a given time? Or it can be the opposite and they can be super polite.

    Personally, if a new person asks for help (I can't count how many titan HM and relic carries I've done with/for strangers), I'm all for it. I just hate when it's expected of me simply because I'm a better geared / more knowledgeable player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noahlimits View Post
    This is a subject that isn't black and white.

    Personally, if a new person asks for help (I can't count how many titan HM and relic carries I've done with/for strangers), I'm all for it. I just hate when it's expected of me simply because I'm a better geared / more knowledgeable player.
    I totally agree.

    You have run sellers that ask for help, then they go charging other players for help. Do you help them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doo View Post
    I totally agree.

    You have run sellers that ask for help, then they go charging other players for help. Do you help them?
    Never participated with people who sell runs. I also refuse to join any FC / LS that sells runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noahlimits View Post
    Never participated with people who sell runs. I also refuse to join any FC / LS that sells runs.
    Agreed... This is a bullshit thing that shouldn't be done... I won't even carry someone... I'f you want to be carried then you don't even wanna put in the effort to achieve your goals...!!!
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