The number of bad players are rising!

[ApolloGenX]

All of the older players I know left... and every coil group I have been in that had voice com was full of teenagers - except once (and that was a fantastic run).

Honestly, I think that the lack of diverse content and the caustic community has driven many mature players away- or to only group with people they know. The lack of accountability and overemphasis on gear score type mechanics is a big turn off for my RL friends. (All EQ players, all over 30)

[Professor_Ozpin]

I really dont see why there is all the bickering on the topic. THERE are lots of bad players. People who refuse to read their skills or take the time to understand what their rotation is because this game caters to them. You cant beat a somewhat challenging primal? heres an echo buff. Cant get gear from coil? heres another way to get gear of equal value. Still cant beat coil? Heres more echo. Dont cater to the bad players or they will keep being bad. If i see someone doing their rotation wrong I give them pointers on how they can improve. But mama always said stupid is as stupid does.

Find a strong group of friends in an FC. Build a static and stick to them like white on rice. Its how you progress and dont face palm yourself so hard that you get a black eye.

[Foo01]

That's why stupid casuals like clown shoes you quoted fall into that category I referenced in this thread or the bad trend thread earlier that casuals make up the worse excuses and insults.... Casuals are starting to remind me too much like communists.

Casuals are NOT communists, as much as you elitist like to insult people.

I really dont see why there is all the bickering on the topic. THERE are lots of bad players. People who refuse to read their skills or take the time to understand what their rotation is because this game caters to them. You cant beat a somewhat challenging primal? heres an echo buff. Cant get gear from coil? heres another way to get gear of equal value. Still cant beat coil? Heres more echo. Dont cater to the bad players or they will keep being bad. If i see someone doing their rotation wrong I give them pointers on how they can improve. ....

See! This is exactly the attitude of the elitist. There are NOT a lot bad players. The casual player are not bad players. So what if they don't know their rotations. Heck they are so busy trying to dodge stuff they can't keep up their rotations. It takes a lot of practice to get good at dodging the stuff and doing the rotations, and even more so to tank or heal and do all that. There is nothing wrong with the echo buff and more echo buff, players have limited time, and there is NO GOOD reason to force them to get stuck.

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Get off your high and mighty chairs, stop calling people rude, bad, elitist, self entitled, casual, new or whatever. :/ It's no better to point fingers and fail to see the bigger picture. For a change, go to the game and be nice to someone. After all what goes around comes around.

Want a good community? Be the change you want to see...

ok now I'm done with sappy speeches

To equate everyone to the same muck is just pretending to be blind. It was the elitist who started this thread and got their jollies insulting everyone else and calling them bad. So what if they died so many times their gear broke. They are trying. I am only trying to point that, it is the elitist themselves who are bad, and they are bad for the game and community, because their attitude works against people working together. They falsely assume like this:

... People always forget, a game like this, you need BOTH groups, even if one side is a smaller group, for the game to survive. The problem with mixed games, is BOTH sides need to work together in a group, not the "hardcore" players always only bringing themselves down every single time. And this is what I'm talking about, that large group who REFUSES to step it up even a tiny bit when in a group, because it's just a game, but the "elitists" have to drop down to them in a group? I'm sorry, that's wrong.

The less experienced player, lower-geared players, players with less time, can't know what they don't know. And it false to assume they do NOT want to improve. Granted that there will always be jerks, some of which will snap back and get defensive, when given advice that isn't always sugar coated, but to assume they do NOT want to improve or step up a tiny bit is just totally BS. The better geared and more experienced players have to make up the shortcomings of the group because they are the only ones with capacity to do so, when they refuse to do so, they become the elitists, because they feel they are their special snowflake, and want to fracture the community and punish the noobs.

[Zaels]

They don't wanna punish the noobs. They just want to play with others like themselves. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't want to make up for other people's shortcomings. I want to play with people that will pull their own weight as much as I am. And if I'm the weak link and the reason a party is failing I will gladly excuse myself from the group while I figure out what I could do better. If that makes me a so-called elitist, I'm very much proud to be one.

And note this only applies to PF. I almost never DF unless I really have to.

[Foo01]

They don't wanna punish the noobs. They just want to play with others like themselves. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't want to make up for other people's shortcomings. I want to play with people that will pull their own weight as much as I am. And if I'm the weak link and the reason a party is failing I will gladly excuse myself from the group while I figure out what I could do better. If that makes me a so-called elitist, I'm very much proud to be one.

And note this only applies to PF. I almost never DF unless I really have to.

The those elitist should stay off the duty finder and do NOT go there expecting to speed run by default. For their own benefit, they should not go there and get mad everyone else and then come here and make a stink on the forums about it.

Additionally, if they just want other players just like themselves, that set of players gets only increasing smaller, because not everyone improves at the same rate as themselves. The better they get the smaller that pool becomes, and it is not the fault of the other players. So DO NOT come here and claim that the number of bad players just to wag their e-peen.

If they want to brag, just brag straight-up, they have the right of free speech. But if you are going to insult everyone else to make yourself feel good, most casuals don't even have the time to come to forums to make a rebuttal, but do NOT expect everyone to take it lying down.

[rhemi1]

You can throw around the word 'elitist' to the point it no longer has a meaning, and throw a tantrum all you like about these 'elitists', but that really makes you no better than the people you're ranting about.

I personally try not to confuse "casual" and "bad", as you can play this game 10 hours a week and still be really bad, but it's pretty obvious there are many, many unskilled players in this game. Which is not in itself a bad thing, but it becomes one they're given no incentive to improve. It really hurts the community more when skilled players are pretty much forced to segregate themselves in order to get halfway decent groups, just because sometimes it feels like 90% of the other players in this game can't tell a boss AOE from their own shoelaces.

[Velo_Vandore]

The those elitist should stay off the duty finder and do NOT go there expecting to speed run by default. For their own benefit, they should not go there and get mad everyone else and then come here and make a stink on the forums about it.

Additionally, if they just want other players just like themselves, that set of players gets only increasing smaller, because not everyone improves at the same rate as themselves. The better they get the smaller that pool becomes, and it is not the fault of the other players. So DO NOT come here and claim that the number of bad players just to wag their e-peen.

If they want to brag, just brag straight-up, they have the right of free speech. But if you are going to insult everyone else to make yourself feel good, most casuals don't even have the time to come to forums to make a rebuttal, but do NOT expect everyone to take it lying down.

You're AWESOME! ^^

I quit the duty finder a short while after reaching lvl.50. Even though I only wanted to play the dungeon the way it was originally designed to be played, almost every other player seemed to want to speed run, skipping half the content and using cheap tactics. I read some opinions on the forums and heard a lot of people say it was selfish for one player to slow down the run, when 3/7 others want to speedrun it. I realized that fighting against this in the duty finder would be a waste of time and would only cause stress for myself and everyone else, so I make a linkshell just for players who like to explore, chat and support each other throughout dungeons. The linkshell is great but it can be hard to get a group together for any serious endgame stuff.

After reading your comments I'm wondering whether I'm doing a disservice to the game and community by rolling over and letting the big boys have the playground all to themselves. I imagine a lot of player only become hardcore or elite because they fall in line with whatever the crowd dictates, instead of having their own mind and staying true to what it was they enjoyed about the game in the first place. I think many, many more are just leaving the game after lvl.50 or starting new characters, or hesitant to play end game content because of the intimidating attitude of players out there. If so, the argument of 7/8 players want to speedrun, so 1 player slowing down 7 is selfish is total BS, and more like the elites are a group of spoiled brats who are taking the duty finder for themselves and trying to bully everyone who won't fall into line away.

The duty finder should be for everyone to use, regardless of skill level. It's not my idea of fun to inevitably keep getting group with 7 other players who are expecting a speedrun for fast tomes or whatever, but is it OK to just give up and let a certain type of player just have the duty finder all to themselves? Sure, I can struggle to organize my own pre-formed party for a first time / story focused / casual run, but why should I have to and not them?

[Zhi]

What I don't understand is why anyone would run Cm or any story dungeon if they don't need it. Brayflox myth takes 15 minutes at worst going at a turtle pace. CM takes upwards of 30min + even without cutscenes skipping . So at best cm with roullette bonus is the same as brayfloxing for myth at its worst

[Empressia]

The duty finder should be for everyone to use, regardless of skill level. It's not my idea of fun to inevitably keep getting group with 7 other players who are expecting a speedrun for fast tomes or whatever, but is it OK to just give up and let a certain type of player just have the duty finder all to themselves? Sure, I can struggle to organize my own pre-formed party for a first time / story focused / casual run, but why should I have to and not them?

Oh cool another mr im so important that my rights alone far outweighted other SEVEN PEOPLE.

[Foo01]

Oh cool another mr im so important that my rights alone far outweighted other SEVEN PEOPLE.

Oh cool another elitist speed runner who wants to bully other people on the duty finder. The party finder is there for you.

When new players show up on the instance for the very first time and never seen the cut scenes, that is a special moment and they should NOT have their game experience messed up by your speed runners, and yes it does NOT matter if there are 7 of you, because that moment is only ONCE and only ONCE.

Because there are times:
“Because the Needs of the One . . . Outweigh the Needs of the Many.” - Spock.