The number of bad players are rising!

[Raindene]

Well, as a relatively new player, I always try to ask for help whenever I enter an instance for the first time (or am just not sure) and I do read up on instance/trial guides before I do them. The only thing I don't do, is watching video guides, because I honestly don't wanna be spoiled :/
Does that make me a bad player, just because I don't want to spoil my first time experience?

I really love this game and honestly, most parties I've had were really nice so far, but reading this thread kinda makes me afraid of later content :/
I really don't screw up on purpose when I do and I admit it when I think it's my fault (like when I had this huge derp and pressed the wrong hotkey, almost wiping my party >.<). I guess what I wanna say is that there's new players who really do wanna try and get better, we're not all bad, ya know :P

[Synapse]

This game caters to all players who have varying skill(well more to the low end), so it is expected.

If the game was hard enough, it will filter out all the bad players.

Also not to mention, the difference between grinding(with actual mobs) and doing FATES, When you faceroll to 50 using FATES, all you do is stand in one area and blindly cast magic and you get a trophy. So when the WHM reached 50, he probably played like he would do FATE, stand there and cast random crap and expect win.

Same goes for BRD that doesn't know what a ballad is.


The Job Quest should focus on how to use every skill that job has to offe in orderr to survive, so the player will know about the skills.

Heck, at the start of the launch. i did not know about Shield Swipe, my PLD was already 50, and i haven't started any quest, so i was sitting on my pld, even do dungeons without it. *not like it is used much anyway but the point tho*

[mindful]

It not really that there bad, just most the time they have no clue what there doing, They see a few videos , or there friends tell them. That they just need to level fast and then they will help them. and they then learn the fastest way to exp to 50 .

It Was fates, now it the dungeon clear a room and leave thing. Then they try to play the game . When it counts. and makes them look bad or if it is someone new to the basic mmo genre from the console then there total lost lol.

Square should have had a better training system set up on the job quest so that the power level people would actually need to learn the job once they got to level 50 solo, and as how to play the job in a general group, and not the story dungeons that players get carried through.

[Arkghyom]

Oh noes! It's bad!

[CYoung187]

Woo another thread complaining about bad players. Aren't there better ways to boost your self-esteem?

[Alwryn]

Woo another thread complaining about bad players. Aren't there better ways to boost your self-esteem?

No. /10chars

[Velo_Vandore]

Hi, I'm a bad player.

I'm not going to spoil my first run by reading a guide. I'm not going to skip cut-scenes and watch them in the inn later just so I don't waste your precious time. I'm not going to research my role, or bother to check what is considered a decent ilvl for each piece of content. I'm going to jump right in when the game allows me to and see for myself. I'm going to learn as I go and you're going to have to put up with it. I'll probably want to explore the whole dungeon including the "pointless" area's and you'll have to deal with that too. I don't like using "advanced" methods to clear the dungeon more easily or quickly, because I feel they are often cheap ways to win and don't give the real intended experience (at least for my first run through). I may stop now and then to appreciate the scenery after fights. If my friend is with me or other players will be interested I'll stop to chat and have a laugh, and we'll find it funny when we die. Oh and I may even stop to grab a drink, if the mug runneth dry! You'll have to suck it up and deal with it because I don't care what you want, I'm playing for what I want.

This isn't what I really do because I have some compassion for other players and am not so ignorant to assume that everyone wants the same thing from the run as me. When I'm not willing to budge on the above I wait for hours on end in the party finder or simply don't do the content while I'm waiting for my friends to get on and level up to where I am. When I use duty finder (barely ever because I am stubbourn in how I like to play) I will accept that I need to hurry it up, skip content and at least try to use the proven strategy as advised by other players.

I do sypathise that it's your 50th run and you know the content with your eyes shut. I understand 100% that you wanna clear quick and smooth as possible because you need to get to coil and need them tomes / drops / whatever. I understand how you are frustrated to see players repeating the same stupid mistakes over an over, when you yourself put in much effort to research and understand your role, get geared to a reasonable ilvl, and to have a grasp of the mechanics before the fight using guide (or otherwise you're just plain skilled and don't repeat the same dumb mistakes more than once or twice - that's not sarcastic, I know some guys are just plain good and respect that!). However, while I feel your pain sincerely, what I want from the game is a completely different thing to you. Explain to me why you're more important?

[Synapse]

Hi, I'm a bad player.

You'll have to suck it up and deal with it because I don't care what you want, I'm playing for what I want.

Explain to me why you're more important?

Just for fun!

Who you be ok if one of the random player in your party wants to afk for 20 mins? i mean he is playing how he wants to play right?


Heh, only difference i see is people draw line at different areas.

Some thinks dungeon that has been out should be speed run'd and get it over with.
Some thinks you need to have high ilv equipment than requirement.
etc etc

The point is compromise from each party member. to find a middle ground. there is no "my way" in a MMO.

[Velo_Vandore]

Just for fun!

Who you be ok if one of the random player in your party wants to afk for 20 mins? i mean he is playing how he wants to play right?

The point is compromise from each party member. to find a middle ground. there is no "my way" in a MMO.

Yep, I agree. I would be annoyed by a player on either extreeme, for being inconsiderate to others. I just hoped to give some perspective to anyone who might think that all bad players are simply looking to be carried through with no effort. It's more likely they don't mind if it's a complete wipe as long as they can have some fun and not be criticised / rushed. But of course if any player uses duty finder they should be considerate of what others want to some extent. That includes both being patient to inexperienced players, while also inexperienced players need to be willing to learn a little and not go completely blind on the duty finder. There are party finder and free companies for that so if you wanna duty finder end game you should understand that people actually will want to win. And If you are going to be very annoyed because a player doesn't want what you want it means you need to stay out of duty finder (like I normally do).

The hardest thing at the moment is CT because random players have to work together.

[Noahlimits]

what I want from the game is a completely different thing to you. Explain to me why you're more important?

It's more the needs of the three other people in your party. If the majority of the party wants to do a run a certain way, that's what the party should do. It's not your wants over one individual person. It's your wants over three other people. The wants of the majority of the party should always take priority.

I also understand that you were exaggerating with your first main paragraph. But just don't be upset when people vote kick you for AFKing to get a drink. While it's within your right to go get a drink or take a break to talk to FCmates, it's within their right to kick someone for being afk/not contributing. Works both ways.