The number of bad players are rising!

[ispano]

I admit it that it can be taxing. This is a game with team objectives. We have to communicate to inexperienced people to make things happen. A static is probably better to avoid these problems. However, I think good players should be leaders.

And you don't see the "problem" here? Not a problem to someone like me, I just play with people I know are good. But you get the people on the other side complaining the good players set strict rules, won't teach, etc. It has to be a two way street, these people NEED to put in SOME work on their part if they want anyone else to constantly be helping. Many people have the "it's just a game" mentality and refuse to do so. As you said it's a team effort, that means ALL people have to be willing to go a little outside of their normal zone.

[Doo]

The solution to bad players or bad strategy is provide assistance or guidance. This is a game with team objectives and goals. If you do not help to guide the team or stop the problems that are obvious then you have failed the team as well.

I don't mind failing. I just re-queue or play with players I know that can play their role.

[Aikaal]

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

I don't know. Why a sport manager hires an old veteran when he has a club of youngters. Maybe he's expecting him to teach the new players in need.

[ispano]

I don't know. Why a sport manager hires an old veteran when he has a club of youngters. Maybe he's expecting him to teach the new players in need.

Hire? I thought most people here don't want to treat it like a job? As for people volunteering to do said work, they're already volunteering to do it. But, yes, when you pay someone to deal with that type of thing, of course you expect it. When you expect him to teach EVERYONE that's new to the sport in question, just because, there's a problem.

[Doo]

I don't know. Why a sport manager hires an old veteran when he has a club of youngters. Maybe he's expecting him to teach the new players in need.

Who hires the good player? Gil run sellers? All that stuff is charity work. If you choose to help it can take hours of your time continuously wiping before the new player learns.

[Aikaal]

Who hires the good player? Gil run sellers? All that stuff is charity work. If you choose to help it can take hours of your time continuously wiping before the new player learns.

You don't get paid but at the end of the dungeon, you get myth/soldiery tome + loot which is the same. It's the same as a student don't get paid but his reward is his grades. If you don't want to help the person and you have multiple wipes, you can always leave the group and get a timer. You don't have to be stuck with a baddie if you don't want.

This is from personal experience but when good players don't help those in need and they beleive they are hopeless, they are usually elistist jerks. Those people in raid will be the first ones to abandon a duty and they are considered toxic players. I'd rather share my knowledge to someone that will use it then being stuck with a toxic player.

[ispano]

You don't get paid but at the end of the dungeon, you get myth/soldiery tome + loot which is the same. It's the same as a student don't get paid but his reward is his grades. If you don't want to help the person and you have multiple wipes, you can always leave the group and get a timer. You don't have to be stuck with a baddie if you don't want.

This is from personal experience but when good players don't help those in need and they beleive they are hopeless, they are usually elistist jerks. Those people in raid will be the first ones to abandon a duty and they are considered toxic players. I'd rather share my knowledge to someone that will use it then being stuck with a toxic player.

No, not really. The "student" gets "paid" the same. Also the last bit there, is like you live a fantasy. Yes, some people will take that information and use it, and most of us have no problem giving it either. But there are enough people who lash out against said advice, that it's not worth it sometimes, and this is where we get the "hopeless" comments from.

When someone refuses to learn or improve because "it's just a game" and they want to play their way, in a group effort mind you, who's REALLY the one in the wrong?

[DragonFlyy]

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

No one expects the good to teach the bad, however, if you complain that people are bad but aren't helping the problem then prepare to be bitched at for contributing to the problem.

[Leigaon]

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

Because you were once considered a bad player who had to have someone who knew what they were doing to tell you, so you pass it down to the next guy. I know you were never a "bad player", yes you were just no one told you because they knew you were new and could improve. We are expected to because that's how runs go from fail fests to wins.

There's nothing wrong with new people willing to learn, it's the lazy ones who get me. The ones who have Turn 5 / 6 gear and sit on AK boss letting orbs drop in hopes to DPS it down the final bit only to fail and realize they should of dropped that bomb some place else like they're suppose to. Or the elite guy who teaches the new people the burn way instead of the right way first and go from there.

"Look to those who walked before, to lead those who walk after"..I remember hearing that somewhere.

[Doo]

Because you were once considered a bad player who had to have someone who knew what they were doing to tell you, so you pass it down to the next guy. I know you were never a "bad player", yes you were just no one told you because they knew you were new and could improve. We are expected to because that's how runs go from fail fests to wins.

Not really, I learn on my own most of the time. I either make practice parties or do it with friends so we help each other out. I don't go into Twintania or fights that I don't belong in and expect everyone to take their time to teach me. That's a pretty selfish thing to do.

"I help, but I don't carry"

You don't get paid but at the end of the dungeon, you get myth/soldiery tome + loot which is the same.

In this case it would be the teacher getting paid the same as the student.

No one expects the good to teach the bad, however, if you complain that people are bad but aren't helping the problem then prepare to be bitched at for contributing to the problem.

So if I complain about crime but don't go out and put on a Bat suit to fight it, am I contributing to the problem?