GLA <25 and keeping enmity

[Sadana]

This is completely anecdotal, and I'm new to the game, but I find I have a lot easier time holding hate as a Marauder than a Gladiator.

Y'know, I've heard this before... Has anyone ever held an "Enmity-off" between a GLA/PLD and MRD/WAR? Same level, same gear, same level weapon, maybe no soul stone... to see who pulls and keep aggro? Parsers can also give this information, right? I'm just curious...

[SpookyGhost]

MRD wins. WAR wins. No contest. Overpower/Steel Cyclone + Berserk > anything.

Flash is your best tool for AOE aggro as GLD/PLD. Unfortunately it's a lot harder to hold aggro at a lower level because you won't have access to Shield Oath yet, but once you do it's faceroll easy. 'Til then, Flash and Riot Blade are your friend.

[Sadana]

'Til then, Flash and Riot Blade are your friend.

On one of the other multi-page guides to tanking threads, I read that the enmity gained from Flash isn't that much compared to other skills. Is this the case or no?

[SpookyGhost]

On one of the other multi-page guides to tanking threads, I read that the enmity gained from Flash isn't that much compared to other skills. Is this the case or no?

It's not as good as OP/SC but it's all you've really got for AOE aggro. But, bare in mind, as long as no one is actually AOEing you'll only need 2-3 Flashes to keep aggro off the healer. If a single DPS is pulling aggro off you it's either because they outgear you or because they're blowing CDs. FB -> SB is your optimal single target aggro combo and if someone pulls that target off you and you're spamming that then there's not a lot you can do. Thankfully most enemies hit like paper before 40-ish so you can just let them tank what they steal. Things are always rocky at the start but they even out the more abilities you get - especially when you get RoH, that solves a lotttttt of problems.

[Cap75]

On one of the other multi-page guides to tanking threads, I read that the enmity gained from Flash isn't that much compared to other skills. Is this the case or no?

I'd like to know this too. In my limited experience I had to spam the crap out of it to hold mobs while, in the dungeon/situation, with a Marauder a single Overpower just grabbed everything with no issue. With my gladiator I'd often get into rather comical situations where a mob would literally pendulum back and forth between me and a DPS because I'd lose aggro for a portion of my rotation.

Flash doesn't do damage correct? Is that why it doesn't pull aggro quite like Overpower?

[Sadana]

haha, more abbreviations to learn! xD

And yes, the folks that prompted this post way outgear me as I mentioned in the OP. I'm 25 wearing my first tin can suit, they're in AF or higher. Even with the gear synced, it seems to be an ongoing problem. ><

[Sadana]

I'd like to know this too. In my limited experience I had to spam the crap out of it to hold mobs while, in the dungeon/situation, with a Marauder a single Overpower just grabbed everything with no issue. With my gladiator I'd often get into rather comical situations where a mob would literally pendulum back and forth between me and a DPS because I'd lose aggro for a portion of my rotation.

Flash doesn't do damage correct? Is that why it doesn't pull aggro quite like Overpower?

It does not do any damage. It's a "Hey look at me dammit!" move. Overpower is a frontal cone strike. Flash is a limited circle around you as far as range goes. You have to keep this in mind when wrangling mobs. I tend to run into and around the mob crowd spamming Flash in order to get every mobs' attention.

[whiskeybravo]

Rotation I usually recommend when rolling with newish tanks on the low level roulette:

Fight or Flight > Shield Lob > Flash > Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Flash > Fast Blade > (tab target next mob) > Savage Blade > Flash

Flash is good for crowd control, but you should be using weaponskills on the mob that's being attacked because physical damage enmity > flash enmity

At lv26 you get Rage of Halone which will make it much much easier to maintain hate.

Another pretty useful thing is to macro Shield Lob with a marking target so DPS knows which mob to attack first:

/micon "Shield Lob"
/ac "Shield Lob" <t>
/mk Attack1 <t>

Good luck!

(there are couple different commands to mark the target in macro, anyone feel free to correct me because I can't remember specifically atm)

[Sadana]

Rotation I usually recommend when rolling with newish tanks on the low level roulette:

Fight or Flight > Shield Lob > Flash > Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Flash > Fast Blade > (tab target next mob) > Savage Blade > Flash

Flash is good for crowd control, but you should be using weaponskills on the mob that's being attacked because physical damage enmity > flash enmity

At lv26 you get Rage of Halone which will make it much much easier to maintain hate.

Good luck!

Ok! I will def change up when I arrow over to the next target.

And thanks for the advice and well wishes, Guys! Before I posted here, I thought "omg I main a BLM... they gon' eat me alive!!" xDDD

[Alanon]

Rotation I usually recommend when rolling with newish tanks on the low level roulette:

Fight or Flight > Shield Lob > Flash > Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Flash > Fast Blade > (tab target next mob) > Savage Blade > Flash

Flash is good for crowd control, but you should be using weaponskills on the mob that's being attacked because physical damage enmity > flash enmity

At lv26 you get Rage of Halone which will make it much much easier to maintain hate.

This!

With Halone at 26 it gets even easier. SL>Flash (make sure you wait so you hit them all) > FB>Flash>SB>Flash>Halone Target 2 > (Back to #1) FB > SB > Halone Target 3

By then you should have sufficient hate on all, though there isn't really a script for all situations/parties, this is more guidelines. You will get a feel for it over time.