360 Day Veteran Reward - Aetheryte Ticket

[C-croft]

It still isn't a compelling argument, your argument is one of rhetorics and it would have been valid if Rank 7 veteran rewards are the first veteran rewards, the fact that there are preceding veteran rewards sets an expectation of the value a customer is toreceive from veteran rewards and the fact that Rank 8 veteran rewards goes back to the trend set by the previous 6 further solidifies our position.

I'd be pissed if the rewards program of a casino i frequent, gives me 50 free hamburgers for a year of spending X amount of money when all previous months, i've been getting stays in a hotel suite. same scenario, when you've set precedence in terms of rewards, you'd naturally set an expectation from your customers.

You might feel indifferent towards the veteran rewards but there are those who values it for what it gives, you might not agree with our protests and you have the rights to either ignore or participate in the discussion but if you wish to disagree, the onus is on you to provide a compelling argument on why we should suck it up and not have expectations from a rewards program created by the devs and with expectations of the reward value set by the devs or perhaps simply to provide a compelling argument as to why 50 free teleport is appropriate for a Rank 7 reward when you get a Behemoth mount and GC leader minion for Rank 6

The fact remains that veteran rewards are a marketing strategy implemented to improve sales and pad SE's bottomline, it serves as an incentive to entice players in subscribing to larger chunks of game time, it really isn't an innocent carebear thank you gesture as what you've been trying to portray it as.

We are not mindlessly ranting here, we have put out our arguments, its in your ball-court now.

These vet rewards do not have to fulfill your expectations. I will be honest, it is a slightly odd choice of vet rewards, but it is still something given to you free of charge. It doesn't matter if you feel entitled to something grander than the previous awards, it's a free gift for subbing. You can not sub and get nothing at all as well.

EDIT

Quoted you as you were editing.

The enticement to sub for longer chunks is to fulfill your need to have something sooner. The bonus for subbing for longer chunks is the fact that you have access to multiple characters per world. I believe you also see a discounted rate for the subscription bundle. The veteran reward is for longevity. As a consumer, it is your responsibility to manage your funds as you see fit. If you are unable to pay monthly and see these rewards over the course of your subscription, that is a mismanagement on your side. You should be paying for access, not vet rewards.

Clarification, not telling you to spend your money, just that your money pays for access not rewards. Also your chunk sub does entitle the rewards immediately simply because you have already paid forward for the access, meaning whether or not you choose to play, your longevity takes you beyond the 360 days.

[Rex]

When the preceding veteran reward gives you an almighty behemoth mount, yeah, you'd be so damn thrilled to know that the next veteran reward level gives you a... Odin minion and 50 free teleports! yeah you heard me right, 50 free teleports! damn straight.


just because you go around calling everyone else entitled doesn't mean you are right and it sure doesn't mean you are "better" than the others you are criticizing.

Here is a suggestion, stop criticizing the people here and focus on delivering a compelling argument as to why 50 free teleport is appropriate for a 360 day veteran reward when the preceding veteran rewards gives unique and collector's items.

(As an aside, I removed the "petition" part of your thread title, as we do not make responses just because the word "petition" is used.)

^ This just proves my point. Bayohne's response to another thread with the "petition" title.

A compelling argument? There's no reason to even complain period! Even if the Behemoth was the 360 day reward and you got the tickets earlier on, someone would still complain that 270 days (or whatever) for 50 free tickets is lame! You can't get a Behemoth mount every month! Get over it!

End of a promotion? that is the best argument you could come up with? oh god.

I love how those against a better veteran reward have absolutely not a single compelling argument.

In fact, it is really strange to see people choosing to have sub-par items (and vehemently defend it) over the possibility of attaining a better one.

1.) Don't accuse me of criticizing when you're basically belittling everyone for "not having a good argument"

2.) ...Square Enix is giving you something for subscribing. For god sake. Calm down. Who cares what it is. In FFXI there are no veteran rewards. You sub and that's it. Nobody complained then. People didn't ask SE "Hey, can you do veteran rewards and give us stuff for subbing?" SE just did this as a plus. Yet people STILL complain.

The real question is, and I've said this multiple times before. Why do I bother even coming into these forums? Yes, I have called out posts that appear to say, "I am entitled." Never did I say I'm better than anyone else. That just must be how you feel.


Here's my "argument"

Is it REALLY a big deal...Does it REALLY hinder your enjoyment of the game? I highly doubt it does.

[Gontrant_Sorel]

correct me if I'm right but as far as I remember any and all other rewards are something you keep forever and/or can't get in game other than by getting the rewards. those tickets feel to me as if they just gave us the gil to pay for something anybody can do.

while it's a "nice" gift and we have no reason to complain about gifts it's a poor gift compared to the other rewards we get.
why? because the rest of rewards is something you keep to brag about it or something you can't get without the reward. the money to do a few teleports is something you can easily get.

it feels like after a year of working at a company you are given an exclusive rolex, after working on that company for two years you got an top class Ferrari and for the third year they give you a couple dozen tickets to get free gas. it's great you got those tickets for free but don't tell me you wouldn't feel "O_o what's this shit?"

[Delorean]

^ This just proves my point. Bayohne's response to another thread with the "petition" title.

It is one thing to say something. It is another thing entirely to actually do something. Just because they do not choose to acknowledge a complaint openly does not mean that they do not acknowledge it at all. We have seen threads like these be deleted as well which is also a form of acknowledgement.

But you're right, Square Enix does not owe us anything. However, I would definitely appreciate having something a little bit nicer to commemorate a year of playing Final Fantasy XIV.

[KupoNuts]

I think additional retainer for long time subscribers (instead of getting one with micro transactions) would be a better award than 50 teleport tickets.

[FoxiLady]

I pay my sub each month to play FFXIV I don't play the game to get some WORTHLESS pixel item that has absolutely no value and usually just sits around doing nothing. 50 Teleport tickets...... OMG those little beggars will be given quite a workout and I will be very sad to see them go. Value/Worth is different to us all and to me the minions/mounts etc are worthless. I don't have a minion out ever and even though I have 4 mounts atm I only ever use 2. My chocobo gets used solely so I can level her and I ride the mount I got for buying the Collectors Edition of the game.

I guess what I'm saying is suck it up snowflakes sometimes you will get a reward that you think is valuable and sometimes you wont, BUT that item will be valuable to someone else. Why anyone would think a whole years worth of subs should buy them gold plated mounts etc is beyond me you expect those kind of things after 10 years long service. Maybe....... SE made the mistake of giving us what you consider to be *better* items to early. They should take them all back and do it right this time by giving us what you consider worthless first.

And for all who keep saying that most comments in this thread are supportive of the OP you obviously either don't know how to count or didn't read all the pages

[SLeonhart]

And for all who keep saying that most comments in this thread are supportive of the OP you obviously either don't know how to count or didn't read all the pages

Actually I'm using "likes" to help measure support for the petition.

My OP has 122 likes. The first reply, in disagreement, has 47.

Can you do the math on that?

To respond, more directly, to your argument - If 50 free teleports (or ~25,000g) is a large sum of money to you - that's great. To most people, however, it is not.

In response to the "omg, SE don't owe us anything for our loyalty/subscription money, we should all be super grateful for anything that's thrown our way, u r SO entitled" - Well, um, yeah: they kinda do.

XIV is the main reason SE was able to turn a profit in 2013. Stating that fact isn't being "entitled" - it's being realistic.

[ReiszRie]

1.) Don't accuse me of criticizing when you're basically belittling everyone for "not having a good argument"

2.) ...Square Enix is giving you something for subscribing. For god sake. Calm down. Who cares what it is. In FFXI there are no veteran rewards. You sub and that's it. Nobody complained then. People didn't ask SE "Hey, can you do veteran rewards and give us stuff for subbing?" SE just did this as a plus. Yet people STILL complain.

The real question is, and I've said this multiple times before. Why do I bother even coming into these forums? Yes, I have called out posts that appear to say, "I am entitled." Never did I say I'm better than anyone else. That just must be how you feel.


Here's my "argument"

Is it REALLY a big deal...Does it REALLY hinder your enjoyment of the game? I highly doubt it does.

1. Different thing altogether, you are throwing unjustified insults around whereas I'm merely asking for a good argument from those who opposes having a different veteran reward.

2. You are the one who needs to calm down, we have explained countless of times, our rationale on this topic, it isn't just a mindless rant without rationale, perhaps it would do you good to read through them and understand the arguments raised.

3. By calling others self-entitled you are implying that you aren't and therefore an individual who possesses "better" values and virtues than those you are disparaging, the fact you are even trying to mask your attempts at being condescending and disparaging is rather baffling.

Are we kidding with this petition?

Instead, why don't you make a petition to stop world hunger or something.

I do not support your petition. It's very petty.

Wow. Just wow at this one...My opinion would be "It's okay, you have bigger things to worry about. I have a job, you don't need to give me money."

...do your parents know you're on the computer..

Maybe your parents couldn't give you the $100 that year because there were more important things to take care of to make sure your life is stable and enjoyable? Think about that? That was such a "Spoiled kid" kind of response..

Here, wait I have one.

(Petition to change) FFXIV player base entitlement debuff {Yes, please.}

[ReiszRie]

I pay my sub each month to play FFXIV I don't play the game to get some WORTHLESS pixel item that has absolutely no value and usually just sits around doing nothing. 50 Teleport tickets...... OMG those little beggars will be given quite a workout and I will be very sad to see them go. Value/Worth is different to us all and to me the minions/mounts etc are worthless. I don't have a minion out ever and even though I have 4 mounts atm I only ever use 2. My chocobo gets used solely so I can level her and I ride the mount I got for buying the Collectors Edition of the game.

I guess what I'm saying is suck it up snowflakes sometimes you will get a reward that you think is valuable and sometimes you wont, BUT that item will be valuable to someone else. Why anyone would think a whole years worth of subs should buy them gold plated mounts etc is beyond me you expect those kind of things after 10 years long service. Maybe....... SE made the mistake of giving us what you consider to be *better* items to early. They should take them all back and do it right this time by giving us what you consider worthless first.

And for all who keep saying that most comments in this thread are supportive of the OP you obviously either don't know how to count or didn't read all the pages

Indeed, it wouldn't have been an issue if they reserved the "nicer" items for the higher veteran rewards, as I've mentioned, the issue at hand is how the devs have set customers expectations of veteran rewards, it isn't a rant on how we want uber items but merely that 50 teleports don't follow the expectations set by the devs with regards to veteran rewards based on past veteran rewards.

you can view this as a rant but I can tell you its not just a mindless rant, perhaps you might feel good calling others "snowflake" and show how indifferent you are to the veteran rewards but there are customers who values the veteran reward items, it would be nice if people here stop trying to turn every topic discussed into an outlet to disparage the character of others and to make things personal.

[SLeonhart]

you can view this as a rant but I can tell you its not just a mindless rant, perhaps you might feel good calling others "snowflake" and show how indifferent you are to the veteran rewards but there are customers who values the veteran reward items, it would be nice if people here stop trying to turn every topic discussed into an outlet to disparage the character of others and to make things personal.

QFT. That said, I really don't mind those opposing this petition taking the abusive, condescending attitude that they have. It isn't exactly strengthening their position. Let them take the lower ground