360 Day Veteran Reward - Aetheryte Ticket

[Clavaat]

Subscription money goes to maintain servers, and increase funding for new systems. In other words, you are paying a subscription fee to improve the game. The amount shouldn't matter, because if you want to continue playing, and continue seeing it improve, you should pay the fee regardless of "rewards". The game is the reward for paying a subscription.

[SendohJin]

Send a suggestion. All this petitioning isn't necessary.

what's the difference?

More importantly, elaborate a possible item that you'd like to see and not throw a vague "I just want -something-" out there because technically, free teleport tokens count as "something".

many people have, a Fantasia, another mount, another free Favorite point, a piece of equipment with free teleport charges with a long cooldown. most complaints is with the perishability of this reward with no unique characteristics (like Fantasia).

[C-croft]

When you've been getting a 20% discount for the past year and now you're only getting a $1 off, do you biatch about it then?

Stop twisting it and making the 360 day veteran rewards seem like its the first veteran reward implemented, the fact that past veteran rewards are following a trend of unique minions, mounts and costumes, heck you get a freaking behemoth mount for 270 days, it simply makes it natural for players to expect an equal or greater degree of reward value.

It isn't about entitlement, its merely a expectation from what the devs have set.

I don't biatch about losing the 20%. It's called the end of a promotion. This happens all the time. And frankly, I simply don't have the time and energy to write letters or batch at someone because I didn't get a 20% discount even though a promotion, regardless if it's one time or a year long, is over. Stop twisting it as though you don't feel entitled based off your own expectations.

This sums up my side of the argument perfectly. Veteran Rewards were NOT implemented as free "Thank you" items like some people seem to think. They shouldn't even be called rewards; they are "Veteran Incentives." They were designed for the sole purpose of giving players incentive to purchase larger chunks of subscription time. It has nothing to do with entitlement. They offer players items they can't get in-game because they know these items will get some players to subscribe to higher priced subscription models (ie. 6 month chunks.) If these players quit after 1-3 months SE still has their huge 6 month subscription fee in their pocket; and all they had to do was offer them the ability to unlock a mount they probably won't use much.


These Aetheryte Tickets are not going to sell any 6 month subscriptions (the Odin Minion might.) It's not unique, cool, or even useful for most players that have already played for 6 months. It just seems like they should have offered us something else as a one year reward just so they could sell more subscriptions (especially from a marketing perspective.) So why not change the reward? They'd make the players on one-side of this argument a lot happier and make more money in the process. As such, it makes no sense why people would defend such a poor "Veteran Incentive" item.

The incentives weren't created for the sole purpose of selling larger subscriptions. If that were the case, what's the incentive for someone like me who pays month to month standard sub? There is none because I can wait. But since they have the option to sell larger subscriptions, of course they are going to give you your rewards up front. I would be upset if they didn't as they took my money in whole. Buying up extra time for the sole purpose of unlocking the vet rewards is for the gimme gimme gimme attitude. That's not something changing the 360 day reward is going to fix.

On a side note, what if the exapansion hits and those free teleports become pretty substantial?

[Yuichi]

what's the difference?

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between a petition and suggestion? BIG difference that you people fail to see.

petition: a formal written request, typically one signed by many people, appealing to authority with respect to a particular cause.
suggestion: an idea or plan put forward for consideration.

You people seem to keep saying petition when you mean suggestion. Unless you do go actually make a petition, but that is a waste of time and those that do think it will have some great significance as if it mean more than a suggestion. This petition thing is something I have seen only on this forum so far. Again saying petition does not make it any more powerful than suggestion.

Now to the topic at had, it is a bonus for subbing not something they have to give you. Not many MMO subs have a reward system. it may not be something you like but it is free.People who complain about it are the same who complain that a person gave them $100 instead of $200. It is entitlement.

[SendohJin]

On a side note, what if the exapansion hits and those free teleports become pretty substantial?

to have the same value as a beastmen mount, each teleport would have to be worth 2400 gil. people would rage if any teleport costs more than 1k since it would not be a sustainable form of travel.

stuff will still be instanced anyway so you won't teleport often after you attune.

you can Airship to any city for 120 gil. chances are there will be an NPC travel method that's reasonable to get to the next region. and from the center of the next region, every teleport would be a reasonable price.

if it's similar to FFXI, people will simply migrate their Home Point from Mor Dhona to the expansion area like they did with Jeuno > Whitegate. most of the open world content would be exhausted by the time 3.0 comes around.

expansion is going to be Ishgard anyway, so not very far.

[Galactimus]

If they stop playing before their subscription expires, that's their problem as it was their decision, no one but their need to have it instantly forced them to do that.

I'm not even defending whether the choice to subscribe longer just for a shiny item is right or wrong. I don't care if its a good or bad decision to obtain these items early and stop playing before your sub expires. The only point I'm trying to make is that SE puts these kinds of items up as "Veteran Rewards" for the sole purpose of selling longer subscriptions.

It works, its fine, and that's awesome! However, if you think these are free "Thank You" items with absolutely no marketing agenda behind them then I can only recommend an Esuna spell and plenty of rest. It's a business making money; otherwise these "free items" should have been included in the game with no subscription restriction attached.

They are offering Veteran Incentives and the Atheryte Tickets are extremely poor ones. I'm just pointing out that people are willing to pay to get items early and that a better incentive would have made them more $$$ (and made people happier.)

[SendohJin]

between a petition and suggestion? BIG difference that you people fail to see.

petition: a formal written request, typically one signed by many people, appealing to authority with respect to a particular cause.
suggestion: an idea or plan put forward for consideration.

You people seem to keep saying petition when you mean suggestion. Unless you do go actually make a petition, but that is a waste of time and those that do think it will have some great significance as if it mean more than a suggestion. This petition thing is something I have seen only on this forum so far. Again saying petition does not make it any more powerful than suggestion.

this entire thread is a petition, why does it have to be super formal. we know SE reps read the forums. every Like on the OP is a signature. so you're the semantic police on how/when people can use the word "petition"?

Now to the topic at had, it is a bonus for subbing not something they have to give you. Not many MMO subs have a reward system. it may not be something you like but it is free.People who complain about it are the same who complain that a person gave them $100 instead of $200. It is entitlement.

yea it is, if your parents gave you $100 for your birthday every year and for your 18th birthday gave you $20 bucks you would have no opinion on that?

[Rex]

Are we kidding with this petition?

The 50 tickets are fantastic that's 50 free teleports AND you're getting a badass Odin Minion. What do you expect from Veteran Rewards? This is ACTUALLY something of some value.

For Hydaelyn's sake it's a Veteran Reward, not a Turn 9 reward.


Instead, why don't you make a petition to stop world hunger or something.

I do not support your petition. It's very petty.

I'm always happy to get more Choco gear. I couldn't care less about the tix though. It'll probably just take up space w/a retainer. And that's fine with me.

....lol..so you wouldn't even use them to save on 50 free teleports...wow....Just use them to get rid of them if you really don't care THAT much.

yea it is, if your parents gave you $100 for your birthday every year and for your 18th birthday gave you $20 bucks you would have no opinion on that?

Wow. Just wow at this one...My opinion would be "It's okay, you have bigger things to worry about. I have a job, you don't need to give me money."

...do your parents know you're on the computer..

Maybe your parents couldn't give you the $100 that year because there were more important things to take care of to make sure your life is stable and enjoyable? Think about that? That was such a "Spoiled kid" kind of response..


Here, wait I have one.


(Petition to change) FFXIV player base entitlement debuff {Yes, please.}



Moderator... close thread please. ,_,

[BloodPact]

...if you think these are free "Thank You" items with absolutely no marketing agenda behind them then I can only recommend an Esuna spell and plenty of rest. It's a business making money; otherwise these "free items" should have been included in the game with no subscription restriction attached.

They are offering Veteran Incentives and the Atheryte Tickets are extremely poor ones. I'm just pointing out that people are willing to pay to get items early and that a better incentive would have made them more $$$ (and made people happier.)

... Is there any company out there that gives out free stuff/incentives/whatever-you-want-to-call-it and not doing with the purpose you described above? It's a business, of course they are doing it to keep you happy, and strengthen your business with them. When you go to the supermarket and they have free samples of food for people at the deli section, when you buy a new software at a tech store and they give you a 5$ credit, it's all the same.

And about your ->>> opinion <<<- on the tickets not being as worthy as the previous rewards. I disagree, I think they'll have more use than the minion you'll summon for three days and then completely forget until you check your profile and see it in the list. But you didn't see me complaining about it for these past three veteran rewards. I collected them (not mandatory, also, btw), and moved on, speculating about what the next reward would be.

[Galactimus]

The incentives weren't created for the sole purpose of selling larger subscriptions. If that were the case, what's the incentive for someone like me who pays month to month standard sub?

I think you grossly underestimate how many people actually purchase larger subscriptions to obtain items early and how much money SE makes thanks to these longer subscriptions. And like I said, that's a perfectly fine way to operate.

They don't make any extra money from subscribers like you. However, they are still trying to get you to subscribe longer; it just doesn't matter to you in particular. They make a ton of extra money off of everyone else. I can't even imagine how many accounts chose a longer model just to get the Behemoth mount early. (Whether or not these players made a wise decision or not isn't the point.)

SE puts these items up as an incentive to subscribe longer. That's not even debatable.