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    EasymodeX's Avatar
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    DTR isn't twice as valuable from an item budget perspective. It's only 40-50%-ish, or something.

    If SS applied to AAs/DoTs that would be nifty but it would be overpowered / the direct effect of SS would need to be toned down. On the flip side SS works fine for BLMs, so implementation would require SE to split the way SS is applied between abilities and AAs -- toned down for DoW classes and normal for DoM. Probably not worth the complexity to manage from their end.
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    Basically the current argument is as follows:

    1+1 = 2. 1 is merely half of 2, so it's a great return on that 1.
    2+1 = 3. 2 is over half of 3, so that 1 was not a 1 well spent.

    VS.

    A+B=C. But B+C=D. So A is worthless.

    VS.

    1 = 1.
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    I thought determination, critical hit rate and skill speed all improved per-point as you stacked more of them? as in X amount is > than Y amount of the same stat, then an individual point of X is more effective than an individual point of Y.
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    Last edited by Arklyte; 03-27-2014 at 08:27 AM. Reason: whoops

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    Just do your job well, and it won't matter unless you gotta put on your lifting belt for bad teammates. >.>;

    Pretty much people will be at the whim of RNG for a while so may as well just not think too deeply about it. Like if you got a token to upgrade a weathered item, but you got drg coil hands (not "BiS supposedly) you probably aren't going to go upgrade the weathered hands. Logical thing would to be upgrade another piece of armor with the token.(Cause main stat > all)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arklyte View Post
    I thought determination, critical hit rate and skill speed all improved per-point as you stacked more of them? as in X amount is > than Y amount of the same stat, then an individual point of X is more effective than an individual point of Y.
    Crit, accuracy and det have a linear rate of return. One point of crit/det/acc is as valuable as another, regardless of whether you have 50 of them or 500 of them. This is true until you hit a logical cap (100% accuracy, 100% crit rate) or an arbitrary cap set by SE (something below 100% crit rate, something below infinite determination).

    Skill speed has an increasing return; the more speed you have, the more valuable the next point is. This continues until you attack so quickly you travel back in time to 1.23 when the battle system was good, or your attack speed gets artificially limited by your combat animation.
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    Unless you're a Bard. Then crit has diminishing returns for DPS.
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    Ardor Nerfed
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    Well, I'm certainly not a math guru like some people here... I can however share some RL testing I did on my bard with a parser.

    At 520 Crit, I auto atk a dummy for 15 minutes and my crit rate was 20%.
    At 575 Crit, for the same time on the dummy, my crit rate was also at 20%...

    So all I can tell you, for me anyways, after 520 crit, I don't find any increase.
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