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    MP Regen - A Bit Too Much?

    Let me preface this by saying I'm glad they introduced some form of auto MP regen. It should have been there from the start. But I feel it's far too much in it's current state.

    MP should not regenerate as fast as HP. This totally removes the challenge of managing one's MP. I see this as a step backwards for the battle system, honestly.

    Now, I do agree that there needs to be some form of MP regen. Even though MP wasn't that difficult to manage before 1.16. Melee classes also rely on MP, and if they don't wish to level THM to 20 for Siphon MP, then an auto-MP regen is even more important to them, of course.

    However... my observations put the current MP regen at 8mp/second. That, I believe, is far too high!
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    MP does not regenerate as fast as hp. They do need to adjust the mp recovery skills to reflect the auto-refresh update as they clearly have not yet (Radiance still recovers 12 mp max at my rank). Auto-Regen is like 40 hp/second, refresh is not even close to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    MP does not regenerate as fast as hp. They do need to adjust the mp recovery skills to reflect the auto-refresh update as they clearly have not yet (Radiance still recovers 12 mp max at my rank). Auto-Regen is like 40 hp/second, refresh is not even close to that.
    That's fine; I misspoke apparently on that comparison. However, my point still stands.
    Yes, Radiance and Damnation could be improved a bit, but Siphon MP and Stygian Spikes are more than enough to effectively manage MP. Not to mention THM and CON moves like Exaltation and Tranquility. However, since melee classes don't get those, some form of MP regen is needed. What we have is too much, though.
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    Considering I have to stand perfectly still for about 2 and a half minutes to recover my MP to full, I'd say it's perfectly reasonable.
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    you can sit and it'll go faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephera View Post
    you can sit and it'll go faster.
    Uhhh.... no. Not moving (something that happens when you sit), is what improves Regen rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    Considering I have to stand perfectly still for about 2 and a half minutes to recover my MP to full, I'd say it's perfectly reasonable.
    Uh, you don't need to stand perfectly still to auto regen... I don't know where you're getting that.
    It took me 1:44 to regenerate 860 MP from nothing. This is without having to sit or rest in any manner like in XI. That is far too high a regen for MP.

    As I said, mages already have plenty of tools to easily manage their MP. Melees w/o Siphon MP could use a boost, yes, but what we have is just plain easy mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balbanes View Post
    Uh, you don't need to stand perfectly still to auto regen... I don't know where you're getting that.
    It took me 1:44 to regenerate 860 MP from nothing. This is without having to sit or rest in any manner like in XI. That is far too high a regen for MP.

    As I said, mages already have plenty of tools to easily manage their MP. Melees w/o Siphon MP could use a boost, yes, but what we have is just plain easy mode.
    This is so true, I think alot of people want a easy game is all. With the current system i can solo heal anything in game including all nm's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balbanes View Post
    Uh, you don't need to stand perfectly still to auto regen... I don't know where you're getting that.
    It took me 1:44 to regenerate 860 MP from nothing. This is without having to sit or rest in any manner like in XI. That is far too high a regen for MP.

    As I said, mages already have plenty of tools to easily manage their MP. Melees w/o Siphon MP could use a boost, yes, but what we have is just plain easy mode.
    I agree with Balbanes MP regen is way easy... MP should not be regenerating as quickly as it is... Needs more balance period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maat View Post
    I agree with Balbanes MP regen is way easy... MP should not be regenerating as quickly as it is... Needs more balance period.
    Disagree. Anything that gets us away from having to need one or two classes to only handle MP regen is a good thing in my book.

    Besides, MP cost for more powerful magic and such can easily outpace regen rate.
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