My first attempt with using the "JP" triangle strategy for Garuda Ex!

[Decrith]

I just wish that if people make guides for fights, that they do not involve overgearing the content.

[MarcusY1990]

anyone got a link to the tri strategy?

[Kitfox]

anyone got a link to the tri strategy?

The only difference compared to the "norm" is that DPS pull Chirada while OT pulls Suparna during tornados. DPS can stack in front of Chirada to mitigate Downburst damage. Often a melee DPS also uses LB on Chirada. MT and OT rotate for each tornados phase as Suparna and Garuda switch positions while DPS are killing Chirada. The positions I like with triangle are: Suparna pulled to NW slot, Garuda pulled to North corner of NE slot, Chirada pulled to South corner of SE slot.

You can also use triangle for the first set of sisters, though most parties won't bother. If you do, I'd position Chirada to East, Suparna to West and Garuda North and have the Tanks swap positions when Garuda and Suparna jump to switch positions to keep stacks at minimum. Tornado positions won't work for first sisters because of the pillars causing Line of Sight issues.

[Pooky_Pasha]

Honestly, I think most people are just ignorant and don't know any better. They just follow videos without even understanding the underlying fight mechanics. Adjusting to different strategies in Garuda only takes small changes but people are just afraid of the unknown and breaking the established patterns, even if it would make sense because of party composition, gear or player issues.

The funny thing is, the 3-way split is just the Garuda HM method most people use but spread across the entire arena. After helping people with Garuda HM and volunteering to single tank it, I was told that's not how it's done. The same people then refuse to use the 3-way split for Garuda EM. It makes no sense!

[MarcusY1990]

The only difference compared to the "norm" is that DPS pull Chirada while OT pulls Suparna during tornados. DPS can stack in front of Chirada to mitigate Downburst damage. Often a melee DPS also uses LB on Chirada. MT and OT rotate for each tornados phase as Suparna and Garuda switch positions while DPS are killing Chirada. The positions I like with triangle are: Suparna pulled to NW slot, Garuda pulled to North corner of NE slot, Chirada pulled to South corner of SE slot.

You can also use triangle for the first set of sisters, though most parties won't bother. If you do, I'd position Chirada to East, Suparna to West and Garuda North and have the Tanks swap positions when Garuda and Suparna jump to switch positions to keep stacks at minimum. Tornado positions won't work for first sisters because of the pillars causing Line of Sight issues.

seem like a lots of work off for tanks...will definitely try that.

[jars]

I've done both and honestly jp method is garbage. the standard method of tank and burn chirada-ot pulls suprana after- spare dps on garuda is much easier. the only things I see wiping garuda parties are bad dps and mismanaging spiny stacks.

[Kitfox]

I've done both and honestly jp method is garbage. the standard method of tank and burn chirada-ot pulls suprana after- spare dps on garuda is much easier.

If you're going with MT pulling one of the sisters, you should burn Suparna, not Chirada, simply because with Suparna down the MT can do damage to Garuda while Chirada is being killed. Also, MT doesn't get double wheeled so they take less burst. By NOT doing burst damage to Chirada, Garuda and Suparna also don't jump, which allows for more DPS time on them.

Killing Chirada first, with MT tanking Suparna, probably is the most inefficient and risky strategy there is for the fight.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

And i have to come... it matters what is the best? This game, and MMORPGs in general, tend to "bottleneck" the word "best" to a minimun of possibilities so the players don`t have to actually think which methods they can use, they just way someone figure something out and they just go down that road without questioning, without testing, without nothing, and when the desing of an MMORPG is so limited in this area (no perks, no builds, no rotations, no complexity whats to ever, just get your BiS, evade AoEs and thats it, you win the game) then things get far worse.

Im truly glad that for once, there is more than 1 option to do things for a bigger audiency than just FC-friends exclusive crazyness like T4 with 2 bards and no BLM. (which we almost done xD)

JP onry method as i call it and normal method are both viable ways to do the fight, you can adapt based on the number of melee DPS vs AoE DPS so you can go normal or JP, it gives a chance of variety without going down the "this is insta-fail" path most of the battles are. Which is sad, narrow and short mindset from both, playerbase, developers, and the genre in general.

I did beat for my first time garuda EX today, JP method, and im glad, someone on japanese servers came up with this, a viable and massive way to do, at least for once, things diferent than everyone else. As it is now, Garuda EX is the ONLY FIGHT with 2 very massive and very viable strategies. I guess is something of todays gamers and developers, always the path of least resistance. Just wait someone post something on youtube and copy the crap out of it.

[Taika]

We've always had OT pulling Chirada (which we kill first) while MT pulls Suparna. Chirada dies when Garuda and Suparna land from their jump and that's when everyone moves to kill Suparna. During tornados we have MT and OT on opposite sides of area, healers and ranged DDs split in the two free slots (melees have to move from one clone to another).

Is there any reason not to do it like this? I haven't really considered any other strategies as this works well for us.

What is the "normal strategy" anyway? Is it what my group does or something else?

[Kitfox]

We've always had OT pulling Chirada (which we kill first) while MT pulls Suparna. Chirada dies when Garuda and Suparna land from their jump and that's when everyone moves to kill Suparna. During tornados we have MT and OT on opposite sides of area, healers and ranged DDs split in the two free slots (melees have to move from one clone to another).

Is there any reason not to do it like this? I haven't really considered any other strategies as this works well for us.

What is the "normal strategy" anyway? Is it what my group does or something else?

If you want to maximize speed, you should kill Suparna first to drop Garuda's shield. If you want to maximize safety, triangle is most optimal with least amount of burst incoming damage. If you want to focus on simplicity, you stack ranged DPS in which case everything about the fight becomes trivial and tanks can pull whatever they prefer.


Normal strategy for most English speakers is considered the one where MT pulls one of the sisters.