Summoner Changes

[Blackcanary]

If Summoner's can give more aether to the Egi then it would become a Primal for a short period of time. I propose Summoner's get a skill with a instant recast time that's cast on the Egi which causes it to become the corresponding Primal for 30s and drains all the Summoner's MP when enkindle is cast or when the timer hits zero the primal does their ultimate attack and reverts to Egi form.

I stated an idea the same as this one last year after 2 month into the game. Having that ability where when they turn into a full primal form but not the same size as the parent just a bit smaller cause that would be stupid would be cool. And once you out of MP since it would last until your MP is gone and until you can recast enkindle then you could re summon its adults (Smaller than Perants size form) Also you would need to cast aether i think its called and also have your MP 100%. It would be silly for them to be full primal size just a bit smaller in height.

[Ardan]

The Primals are Aetheric beings so any Summoner should be able to summon them for a short period of time. Right now Summoners only have enough aether to summon the Primals in their infant form which are the Egis.

It's been oh so long since I've completed the SMN quest line, but if I recall the Egi aren't children. They're essentially fragments of the actual Primals that are willing to fight with you, if you can prove you're worthy enough. Lore-wise, again, SMN having Primals at their side makes NO DAMN SENSE. It's been stated that Primals require massive amounts of crystals and shards, of the same element, to be able to summon them. It's even on the FF wiki.

I want additions just as much as everyone else. Hell, we aren't the only class that wants them. Your ideas are all terrible and always have been up to this day, I'm sorry. They would never work and wouldn't make sense at all. SMN is fine the way it is for now.

[Akiza]

It's been oh so long since I've completed the SMN quest line, but if I recall the Egi aren't children. They're essentially fragments of the actual Primals that are willing to fight with you, if you can prove you're worthy enough. Lore-wise, again, SMN having Primals at their side makes NO DAMN SENSE. It's been stated that Primals require massive amounts of crystals and shards, of the same element, to be able to summon them. It's even on the FF .[/B]

No it require massive amount of shards and crystal to keep Primals around permanently casting spell on the Egi to allowing it to take on the form of the corresponding primal temporarily will not break lore. Even so there is nothing in the lore that stops a Summoner from gathering up enough shards to summon the Primals

[BloodPact]

No it require massive amount of shards and crystal to keep Primals around permanently casting spell on the Egi to allowing it to take on the form of the corresponding primal temporarily will not break lore. Even so there is nothing in the lore that stops a Summoner from gathering up enough shards to summon the Primals

1) There is evidence is the lore that says we cannot summon a primal; go crash in your in and rewatch the cutscenes because you missed it all. In fact, speaking of their aetherial power even the egi versions we have access to are extremely powerful to the common folk.

2) The development team of this game flat out refused, not one, but several inquiries to make primals available to summoners, a) because the lead person in the team believes they are too iconic for a single being to control them b) they're already reserved for upcoming large scale encounters, like Frontlines (as someone said before).

No more posts of this nonsense please. This is XIV's Summoner, either play it, or go to console FFs or XI. It is not changing, this is a fact.

[Tharian]

Thank you BloodPact, I have been trying to post to say almost exactly word for word what you have just said for the past 38 or so hours, except that this stupid forum has been denying me the ability to do so due to some stupid restrictions that the developers placed on the forum that limits the number of posts a person can make in a given day.

[jars]

I really hate that idea makes you wonder whats the point in having a summoner. A summoner in FFXIV shouldn't even be called a Summoner it should be called a warlock cause truly that's what it is.

a warlock is a summoner that deals specifically with demons

this is like saying you should be calling a square a rhombus

[Tharian]

a warlock is a summoner that deals specifically with demons

Actually that is inaccurate. The word Warlock comes from the Old English word Wærloga which when translated into modern English literally means "Traitor, Liar, or Enemy." The most accurate definition of a Warlock is an individual who breaks their promises on a regular basis. In fact it is entirely applicable to say that a Warlock is simply a Priest who has broken his Oaths to God. It has absolutely nothing to do with the summoning of demons.

Granted the term Warlock is most commonly used to refer to a male Witch, or one who is in league with the Devil, that is actually a fallacy introduced during the Roman and Spanish Inquisitions and is not what the word actually means in a literal sense.

To get technical, a Warlock in Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn, would be the equivalent to a Summoner who willingly summons the full form of a Primal and allows it to Temper anyone it comes into contact with. Because that is a breaking of the "Oath" that a Summoner essentially makes when they first embark upon the endeavor of becoming Summoners to begin with.

[Akiza]

1) There is evidence is the lore that says we cannot summon a primal; go crash in your in and rewatch the cutscenes because you missed it all. In fact, speaking of their aetherial power even the egi versions we have access to are extremely powerful to the common folk.

2) The development team of this game flat out refused, not one, but several inquiries to make primals available to summoners, a) because the lead person in the team believes they are too iconic for a single being to control them b) they're already reserved for upcoming large scale encounters, like Frontlines (as someone said before).

No more posts of this nonsense please. This is XIV's Summoner, either play it, or go to console FFs or XI. It is not changing, this is a fact.

Buffing the Egi to take on the form of the primal for 30s wouldn't break lore but summoning a primal as a permanent pet and letting it temper everyone would break lore. Besides they already destroyed an iconic role by turning it into a affliction Warlock and calling it a Summoner.

[Tharian]

Buffing the Egi to take on the form of the primal for 30s wouldn't break lore but summoning a primal as a permanent pet and letting it temper everyone would break lore. Besides they already destroyed an iconic role by turning it into a affliction Warlock and calling it a Summoner.

I will say it again. The Summoner Job in this game is NOT a Warlock. The word Warlock has absolutely nothing to do with the summoning of monsters, regardless of what World of Warcraft would have you believe. Nor does it have anything to do with Demons. It has everything to do with blatantly lying to your God. For reference, I was actually a practitioner of the Occult for a good long while. I know what I am talking about here. No serious member of the Occult would call themselves a Warlock unless they were a LeVeyan Satanist or being incredibly stupid. Heck I don't even think Aleister Crowley's own followers of Thelema would be so arrogant as to call themselves that.

And yes, turning an Egi into a Primal for 30 seconds would be lore breaking. The entire reason the Egi appears the way it does is because it is magic that is siphoned off of the Primal, and is as such not capable of taking on the Primals true form for any length of time. You would know that if you actually paid attention to the level 30 Summoner Job Quest.

[Inosaska]

The Summoner is a caster class first and foremost and not a pet class because the pet has very limited uses. When only one of the three current egi's is useful then sadly it just breaks the true nature of the summoner completely. The fault is classifying the egi's into the special archtypes like caster, dd, and tank. The only way to fix the summoner and make all the egi's useful is to drop the archtypes on them and make them each unique so that they can be used for a variety of special moments.

It's just sad that Garuda Egi is the only one that ever used and the other two have become completely worthless once max level. This is the best way to adjust the summoner with the current lore in the game because it doesn't break it in anyway at all and It just makes all the egi's useful. I hope they decide in the future to do this kind of adjustment in the game to the job.