Summoner Changes

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

A long time ago, it was mentioned by the dev team that Free Companies would have the ability to 'capture' roaming primals to use at their whim.

I kinda get the feeling that this has become a feature that is going to apply only to frontlines PvP.

[Blackcanary]

The primals will be summoned by FC not SMN so... no.

I really hate that idea makes you wonder whats the point in having a summoner. A summoner in FFXIV shouldn't even be called a Summoner it should be called a warlock cause truly that's what it is.

[Tharian]

-Summoner's get the ability to summon the Primals with a instant recast time.

This entire post automatically qualifies as "I want to be able to summon Odin and Bahamut at any time I want with no limit." and demonstrates the posters complete lack of Reading Comprehension when it applies to the Summoner Story Arch and the Main Story Arch.

[Tharian]

It's basically the same thing.

A single human doesn't have the Aether to support a primal for any period of time, no matter how short. I don't expect them to break lore for your fantasy

That isn't the only reason.

In Final Fantasy XI, an Eidolon was basically a very powerful spirit being. Though technically a wild entity, that could cause great amounts of devastation if left to its own devices, with the exception of Bahamut, Odin, and Diabolos, they were largely benevolent creatures.

Primals in FFXIV are essentially vengeful gods of destruction. Nothing more and nothing less. The tempering process makes anyone who would summon them into their slaves. The only reason the player is immune to that is because of the Echo.

[Akiza]

This entire post automatically qualifies as "I want to be able to summon Odin and Bahamut at any time I want with no limit." and demonstrates the posters complete lack of Reading Comprehension when it applies to the Summoner Story Arch and the Main Story Arch.

I did place limits on summoning the Primals they drain the Summoner's MP which reduced there personal damage. Also I stated that Summoner's should have to make pacts with the Primals to reduce the cost of a Summoning them. Now the developers can tweak it by making it so when a Summoner summons a primal it drains all there MP.

[Enkidoh]

That isn't the only reason.

In Final Fantasy XI, an Eidolon was basically a very powerful spirit being. Though technically a wild entity, that could cause great amounts of devastation if left to its own devices, with the exception of Bahamut, Odin, and Diabolos, they were largely benevolent creatures.

Primals in FFXIV are essentially vengeful gods of destruction. Nothing more and nothing less. The tempering process makes anyone who would summon them into their slaves. The only reason the player is immune to that is because of the Echo.

Summon monsters in FFXI were called Avatars, not 'eidolons' (which were the summons in FFIX and XIII). But you're right about everything else.

[Akiza]

It's basically the same thing.

A single human doesn't have the Aether to support a primal for any period of time, no matter how short. I don't expect them to break lore for your fantasy

I'm pretty sure a single person has enough aether to support a primal for at least 30s not as a permanent pet since no where on my post I said I want Primals as a permanent pet. Since the Primals are aetheric beings all it would take is giving more Aether to the Egi an it will become the corresponding Primal

[Tharian]

Summon monsters in FFXI were called Avatars, not 'eidolons' (which were the summons in FFIX and XIII). But you're right about everything else.

the word Eidolon and Avatar are synonyms. Using them interchangeably like that makes next to no difference in the grand scheme of things. The term basically translates into English as "Physical Corporeal Manifestation of a God" thus by the literal definition, Jesus the Christ according to Christian Tradition could be interpreted as the Eidolon or Avatar of the Abrahamic God.

The word Primal however means something entirely different. Primal signifies a raw untamed force of destructive magic made manifest. In this case it is a destructive force created when an actual God is summoned to the mortal plane against its will. You can't tame something like that.

[Akiza]

Just watch. Some highly intelligent individual will make another thread why SMN sucks, should be changed or my personal favorite: bitching about Egi size.

Every body agrees that their job didn't add much to their class. Summoner's think they don't feel like summoners because they can't summon Primals. Black Mages feel like a THAUMATURGE with a few job specific skills and they don't have a personal meteor skill. Monks don't have a thousand hands of fury and Dragoons just plain complain because they don't have a cool special ability.

[Akiza]

The Primals are Aetheric beings so any Summoner should be able to summon them for a short period of time. Right now Summoners only have enough aether to summon the Primals in their infant form which are the Egis. If Summoner's can give more aether to the Egi then it would become a Primal for a short period of time. I propose Summoner's get a skill with a instant recast time that's cast on the Egi which causes it to become the corresponding Primal for 30s and drains all the Summoner's MP when enkindle is cast or when the timer hits zero the primal does their ultimate attack and reverts to Egi form.