Nerf PLD/WAR. Buff BLM/SMN

[Ramzal]

Hear me out. I play Paladin and Warrior and I enjoy both thoroughly but something has just been bugging me as the feel to the two (And many other jobs) in the game. Their stats don’t really reflect what they’re about. Now I know that can sound a bit winded as with most MMO’s the tank’s stats are perfect. They’re meant to take hits for the party and hold the enemy. But it kind of bugs me how the Warrior and the Paladin are apparently ideal countermeasures for mages. I maybe over simplifying things but when I think magic, I think of a force that almost transcends physical laws (or rather just bends them to a form that is irregular). I believe that the jobs that delve into the magics would be better off dealing with them. I suppose what I am suggesting is Mage tanking.

To make something like this work, I believe it would call for a huge reduction in Paladin and Warrior magic defense and an increase in physical defense. For example:

Paladin Before
Physical Defense: 758
Magic Defense: 758


Paladin After
Physical Defense: 958
Magic Defense: 258

Black mage Before
Physical Defense: 288
Magic Defense: 514


Black Mage After
Physical Defense: 188
Mage Defense: 900

Also this could help make Surecast useful. Instead of :

“Next spell is cast without interruption”

Make it like shield oath with a 10% reduction to damage output for a 20% increase in enmity. No spells can be interrupted. This is just my outlook on it however. I really think tanking can and should be revised to include the magic using population. I don’t see the sense in a guy being able to tank something that shoots magic lightning at him while he is wearing a station-wagon and holding a sharp conductor. I also think that this can breathe some variety into the game as people have to approach enemies with slightly more caution as the wrong person grabbing the wrong kind of monster = dead.


Then again, this idea could be hell for anyone who steps into the duty finder with 2 monks.

[Linadae]

Interesting idea but that would cripple tanks when tanking a spell caster boss. The current way may not be 'realistic' but it's what they have to do to keep the game balanced.

[DarkslayerG]

Wait, so you want the tank classes not be able to actually tank? And make BLM and SUM have damage and strong defense against magic? How is this balanced at all? To make some overall level of power balanced, BLM and SUM would need to have their damage nerfed hard.

And speaking of dungeon/raid, how are tanks supposed to tank enemies that do both types of damage? Rotate BLM's in to tank while tanks DPS with their non-existent damage?

[cotti]

OK, so tanks are not supposed to tank, and mages with no extra-aggro skills are supposed to be "magic tanks", and you also want the game to specifically aim magic skills on the "former DPS" BLMs and SMN?

Dude, no. Just no. The classes are supposed to fill roles here. The so-called Holy Trinity - that tank, healer, dps thing. It's not fair to anything in the game, be it the existing mechanics, be it the tank role, the healer role or the dps role to have your idea implemented.

What CAN be implemented - but would take an expansion, because jobs do not come "every next week" like the Musketeer-sayers imply - is a class/job who is linked to magic but has a tank role. That'd make it possible to make SMALL adjustments so to not break the equilibrium between the classes and give him a bonus on defending against magical attacks. Not nerfing other classes. Buffing him. Big difference here.

In this case, fight for a class that fits this criteria in an existing "job wishlist" thread. Your current idea is way out of hand to actually work.

[Tashigi]

I could write you an essay as to why this is a terrible idea, but instead just...
No.

[Zumi]

You want to make tanks get 1 shot by any magic attack in the game thus not being able to tank a lot of stuff that is not a good idea at all.

[Anienai]

Well thought out troll thread.

[Musashidon]

well if we are going to talk realistic how does my big clunky armor stop a boss's attack when the boss is like 5 times my size.

it's ok to be realistic but only so realistic, alot of the bosses in this game would have no issues just crushing the tank and laughing afterwards.

[Gilgamesh-Merodach]

PVP got you good. And with your suggestion, PVE will get you good. Short and simple ~ NO

[Crysten]