Enter Spamming (crafting)

[TheVedis]

you honestly think that a lot of the high lvl crafters actually press the buttons themselves ... lol
some might ...

i do....

and if they dont, dont blame the game, ban the cheater

[Anty]

i do....

and if they dont, dont blame the game, ban the cheater

1) i blame the repetitive character of crafting and the fact that it takes (even though all classes should have been kinda equal, no matter if you craft or lvl a battleclass) much longer to level a craft then to lvl a battleclass and you need resources for it as well. If they made the crafters, crafters only and didn't pretend they were classes like every other and that you could enjoy the same stuff by only crafting... it would be a different thing.
The way crafting works atm drives people nuts or they start boting or they just stop crafting. It just takes too long. Even crystal processing takes AGES, and this is the base for everything.

2) if SE bans RMT and the boters or people who play and bot every once in a while because the crafting system just plain sux, the world would be empty by now. SE made a game with too many restrictions, mindless timesinks but no challenges on the other hand, and on top of that xp-penalties for focusing on one job -sigh- and they stick to never working things like MW instead of turning the game around so also none- "lobotimized" people can enjoy it.

3) i won't comment on all your lvl 50 classes- unless its a photoshop fake for fun....

[TheVedis]

1) i blame the repetitive character of crafting and the fact that it takes (even though all classes should have been kinda equal, no matter if you craft or lvl a battleclass) much longer to level a craft then to lvl a battleclass and you need resources for it as well. If they made the crafters, crafters only and didn't pretend they were classes like every other and that you could enjoy the same stuff by only crafting... it would be a different thing.
The way crafting works atm drives people nuts or they start boting or they just stop crafting. It just takes too long. Even crystal processing takes AGES, and this is the base for everything.

2) if SE bans RMT and the boters or people who play and bot every once in a while because the crafting system just plain sux, the world would be empty by now. SE made a game with too many restrictions, mindless timesinks but no challenges on the other hand, and on top of that xp-penalties for focusing on one job -sigh- and they stick to never working things like MW instead of turning the game around so also none- "lobotimized" people can enjoy it.

3) i won't comment on all your lvl 50 classes- unless its a photoshop fake for fun....

1) every mmos crafting system is nothing but repetition, so this is no different, doesnt make it ok to bot
2) the world wouldnt be empty with no botters, you just wouldnt have as many multi 50s like i am
3) my 50s are legit, and all real, im one of the few people who probly didnt bot to get them too, its alot of damn hard work

[Perrin_Aybarra]

3) i won't comment on all your lvl 50 classes- unless its a photoshop fake for fun....

I'm sure it's real, some people are just crazy and have way too much time on their hands. Bringing a craft to level 50 is not an accomplishment in my opinion. Mindlessly spamming standard synthesis is the same as botting, even if you pressed the button yourself it's still a robot's job which is even more degrading when you think of it. Some are proud of their "hard work" though and that is why they are against any sensible and intelligent changes.

[TheVedis]

I'm sure it's real, some people are just crazy and have way too much time on their hands. Bringing a craft to level 50 is not an accomplishment in my opinion. Mindlessly spamming standard synthesis is the same as botting, even if you pressed the button yourself it's still a robot's job which is even more degrading when you think of it. Some are proud of their "hard work" though and that is why they are against any sensible and intelligent changes.

its not the same
mindlessly pressing it is legal
using a program is illegal

and all mmos are are mindless games to begin with...

[Raikki]

dont blame the game, ban the cheater

Just like in FFXI, right? Why should we be upset with SE for all the claimbotting on Fafnir, just ban the cheaters! Oh wait, that never happened because they couldn't "prove" they were cheating. So claimbotting ruined HNMs and SE refused to fix it for years and years and years. Let's not repeat the same mistakes with this.

3) i won't comment on all your lvl 50 classes- unless its a photoshop fake for fun....

Oh please. Don't call "bot" based on ranks, that's absurd. It's very doable to have this many 50s by now if you've been playing a lot since release. There ARE a lot of botters, but you can't tell who they are just by a single snapshot of someone's ranks.

[TheVedis]

Just like in FFXI, right? Why should we be upset with SE for all the claimbotting on Fafnir, just ban the cheaters! Oh wait, that never happened because they couldn't "prove" they were cheating. So claimbotting ruined HNMs and SE refused to fix it for years and years and years. Let's not repeat the same mistakes with this.




Oh please. Don't call "bot" based on ranks, that's absurd. It's very doable to have this many 50s by now if you've been playing a lot since release. There ARE a lot of botters, but you can't tell who they are just by a single snapshot of someone's ranks.

well i guess im saying, dont blame the system on people botting
people bot regardless of the situation if they know they can get away with it and have the moral standing to do so(in other words they dont care if its cheating)

however, SE does need to crack down on them, that is their responsibility, but it isnt their fault that people do it

[Raikki]

well i guess im saying, dont blame the system on people botting
people bot regardless of the situation if they know they can get away with it and have the moral standing to do so(in other words they dont care if its cheating)

however, SE does need to crack down on them, that is their responsibility, but it isnt their fault that people do it

I think craft botting would be at least somewhat diminished if they made ranking up crafts less soul-sucking. That's all people really want here. I know you have a lot invested in your craft ranks and probably don't want anyone to have an easier/more enjoyable system than you had to gruel through, but this should still matter to you. Think about what kind of system you'd want to use when they raise the level cap. Do you really want the game to still be "watch movies and enter-spam" when you need to rank up again?

I can also understand the desire to keep high rank crafting as "exclusive" as possible to avoid saturating the supply side of the market. Unfortunately, that's futile because we both know craft bots aren't going away, and they'll still be there lowering the value of everything we make.

Lastly, I strongly believe there are ways to remove tedium from craft grinding without trivializing crafting as a whole. For example, requiring rare material at high ranks would keep high rank crafting difficult to attain even if you could do the synths automatically (think Goldsmithing).

[TheVedis]

I think craft botting would be at least somewhat diminished if they made ranking up crafts less soul-sucking. That's all people really want here. I know you have a lot invested in your craft ranks and probably don't want anyone to have an easier/more enjoyable system than you had to gruel through, but this should still matter to you. Think about what kind of system you'd want to use when they raise the level cap. Do you really want the game to still be "watch movies and enter-spam" when you need to rank up again?

I can also understand the desire to keep high rank crafting as "exclusive" as possible to avoid saturating the supply side of the market. Unfortunately, that's futile because we both know craft bots aren't going away, and they'll still be there lowering the value of everything we make.

Lastly, I strongly believe there are ways to remove tedium from craft grinding without trivializing crafting as a whole. For example, requiring rare material at high ranks would keep high rank crafting difficult to attain even if you could do the synths automatically (think Goldsmithing).

as much of a grind the current system is
there really is no compromise to it without making all the work everyones done on it completely worthles, and we know thats something SE isnt gonna do
the grind is pretty bad in the end BUT if it wasnt for the fact that there are no other recipes you could switch up to in order to increase sp....thats the main problem to finish them as is
at 500 sp a synth, you get roughly 25k an hour
thats 4 hours per rank at 100k sp, which wouldnt be bad at all BUT 50 is the highest recipe and will give no more then 300 or so tops at 49

my suggestion to make the final grinds less painful is to add recipes ABOVE the rank cap, thisl lessen the final grind, AND add a hard synth you can still do at the cap thatl be worthwhile and valuable perhaps?


automated crafting is a bad idea no matter how you look at it as a method of ranking up
there is however a compromise, i wouldnt mind seeing automated crafting on recipes that you are too high to get SP on anymore, as a means to speed through getting low materials ready

[Perrin_Aybarra]

as much of a grind the current system is
there really is no compromise to it without making all the work everyones done on it completely worthles, and we know thats something SE isnt gonna do

Still always out for your own interests I see. SE can do whatever they see right for their crafting system even if it means that the people who wanted to put themselves through their horrid crafting system went through it for nothing. They did say they were going to change it, even said to make it easier although I wish they would have said funner and less mind-numbing rather than "easier".