When is enough really enough ???? [DEV]

[Wolfie]

SE needs to let their devs do what they're trained and paid for, instead of throwing in everything that people whine for here on the forums. Anyone who has worked in customer service can tell you that the costumer is definitely not always right; in fact, they're wrong more often than not.

Is that why their game has failed in almost every sense and is the pariah of MMOs?

And for the record, a s***ty customer service job for a retail company or whatever is not the same as a software developer looking to sell a product or fulfill a service agreement. The customer IS always right in those cases, because if you tell them they're not or don't do what he asks, you're going to be tossed aside for someone who will (as evidenced by the ~20k users who are still playing this game, out of a 600k shipped units).

[NefGP]

Is that why their game has failed in almost every sense and is the pariah of MMOs?

This could very well be the single most ignorant statement made yet. The original game direction was unique and and potentially revolutionary. I really liked where Komoto was taking the game, but facts of it were simply that he & Tanaka blatantly chose to ignore the response of the Beta testers and adjust the content accordingly while delaying the game for at least another year.

I still feel that given the extra year, XIV could have launched with it's original soul intact and offered us all something truly different and fun, instead of the FFXI 2.0 direction it's increasingly headed in. I've been playing FFXI since 2003, and continue to love it, but I don't need a 2nd iteration of it. I want to play FFXIV.

[Wolfie]

This could very well be the single most ignorant statement made yet. The original game direction was unique and and potentially revolutionary. I really liked where Komoto was taking the game, but facts of it were simply that he & Tanaka blatantly chose to ignore the response of the Beta testers and adjust the content accordingly while delaying the game for at least another year.

I still feel that given the extra year, XIV could have launched with it's original soul intact and offered us all something truly different and fun, instead of the FFXI 2.0 direction it's increasingly headed in. I've been playing FFXI since 2003, and continue to love it, but I don't need a 2nd iteration of it. I want to play FFXIV.

Aside from the graphics, there wasn't a single redeeming thing about this game throughout alpha, beta, open beta, and retail until Yoshida took over.

[darkstarpoet1]

Aside from the graphics, there wasn't a single redeeming thing about this game throughout alpha, beta, open beta, and retail until Yoshida took over.

i actually have to disagree. there were many things that needed fixing, but the game had a nice core system in place that needed to be fixed and a severe lack of content. then yoshi took over and even those are being removed.

[Ilean]

This could very well be the single most ignorant statement made yet. The original game direction was unique and and potentially revolutionary.[/B]

In some parallel universe maybe.

In this one the original game direction was crap, just the fact that they even thought that their original game design could be successful denotes how hopelessly doomed to failure it was.

Tanaka is just like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOOw2yWMSfk

So disconnected with what a fun MMO is that he never had a chance.

then yoshi took over and even those are being removed.

So both the majority of the community and SE chose to have what you call redeeming qualities removing?

Some redeeming!

[RabidSquirrel]

This could very well be the single most ignorant statement made yet. The original game direction was unique and and potentially revolutionary. I really liked where Komoto was taking the game, but facts of it were simply that he & Tanaka blatantly chose to ignore the response of the Beta testers and adjust the content accordingly while delaying the game for at least another year.

Well guess what. We currently are beta testers, and these forums are where we should be voicing our ideas and opinions. If you'd like to argue against that statement, then go ahead. But you even said what happened when they ignored us. Would you like that to continue?

[Ilean]

Well guess what. We currently are beta testers, and these forums are where we should be voicing our ideas and opinions. If you'd like to argue against that statement, then go ahead. But you even said what happened when they ignored us. Would you like that to continue?

/threaded

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[Rowyne]

The original game direction was unique and and potentially revolutionary.

I thought that too, at one point. I respected the fact that the manual attack and fatigue systems were supposedly botting and RMT deterrents.

But I've been playing a lot of FFIV on my PSP this past week. That's when I realized that all they did was take an old school standalone FF format, and try to make an MMO out of it. From the stamina bar (ie ATB bar) that gave us slow and boring turn-based combat, to the AoE toggle that incurs no extra MP or enmity cost, these are things that just do not translate properly into an MMO.

And then, take the fatigue system. Did you know that WoW tried something very similar 7 years ago during beta testing? It's no secret. This bit of information is posted right on WoWWiki:

In the beta version of the original game, rest did not exist and experience was designed to prevent players from playing more than few hours in a row. Experience gained was divided by 50% after few hours. However, beta-testers did not like it and rest was implemented, giving instead 200% of experience for few hours, which Blizzard's developers later reported as being the "same numbers seen from the opposite point of view".

If it's not common sense enough to think that players wouldn't like being punished for their playtime, if SE had done just a bit of research they would have had this information all laid out in front of them.

The armory system, the one truly unique aspect of the game, is good in theory but not in practice. Building your own class is, again, something that could work quite well in a standalone game. It could even possibly work just fine in an MMO for soloing. But just how do you balance that for party play? The truth is, you can't. That's why they're giving us a job system, so that everyone has a defined role.

I really liked where Komoto was taking the game, but facts of it were simply that he & Tanaka blatantly chose to ignore the response of the Beta testers and adjust the content accordingly while delaying the game for at least another year.

Most of this statement is true. The real downfall of this game is the fact that they just did not listen to player feedback and released it prematurely. But the truth is that most of the systems in place wouldn't have worked, anyway.

Unfortunately, the time for innovation is over. This game was a grand experiment that failed. Now they need to take some basic systems that they know work, if they are to save this game. Anything unique will have to come in the future, or in the form of another MMO. FFXIV just can't wait any longer.

[Dragonlord]

Wolfie why do you even play ffxiv, seriously?? All you do is flame the game in every single post u do. I am a troll everytime i see your posts.. They are always filled with negitivity. Please by all means, if you really dont like the game go play something else that makes you happy. SE isnt ever going to make everyone happy. That is the problem right there. They are looking to the community for help to re-shape the game, and they are torn down the middle, because some people are ok with the new ideas, and some arent. Basically when it becomes a finished product some are going to stay, and some are going to leave. I urge anyone that isnt happy with the game, and the new direction its taking should just quit now, and save yourself the anxiety, and stress that this game obivously brings to you.

[Dreamer]

Wolfie why do you even play ffxiv, seriously?? All you do is flame the game in every single post u do. I am a troll everytime i see your posts.. They are always filled with negitivity. Please by all means, if you really dont like the game go play something else that makes you happy. SE isnt ever going to make everyone happy. That is the problem right there. They are looking to the community for help to re-shape the game, and they are torn down the middle, because some people are ok with the new ideas, and some arent. Basically when it becomes a finished product some are going to stay, and some are going to leave. I urge anyone that isnt happy with the game, and the new direction its taking should just quit now, and save yourself the anxiety, and stress that this game obivously brings to you.

I put Wolfie on ignore long, long ago.