DPS Misconceptions

[givemeraptors]

You have stated the following in this thread:
1)DPS will know a fight inherently better than a tank or healer
2)Healers add nothing to help DPS in a run
3)Tank and healer mechanics are easier compared to DPS mechanics
4)Healers can get away with not knowing mechanics and tanks too

1) The way current responsibilities are delegated, if 4/8 people who were totally new to a fight were given a list of things typically assigned their role and told to focus on those things only I think there are many fights where a DPS would be the most knowledgeable overall, though the best players would combine knowledge from all three roles. Obviously most people don't play in a vacuum, and it's really up to players what they do and don't know, but again, I'm talking about roles here and the way those roles are talked about in general, hence why the first subtitle is "tanks/healers know the fight better" not "people who play tanks or healers know the fight better".

2) I used Pharos as one example where a healer doesn't really add much to DPS beyond keeping them alive (which is a redundant point to make anyway) and you somehow took that to mean always. I can't help your reading comprehension there. Selene inherently disproves this point, though I don't use her in Pharos. As for a healer deciding to DPS, that is entirely up to a healer and beyond their job description.

3) Again, you took sometimes to mean always. Tanking Titan HM is absurdly easy, healers and DPS have it rough. Knowing where to lead Garuda and her sisters/provoke Spiny is rough on tanks, much easier on healers and DPS.

4) I will repeat a third time, sometimes but not always. Tanks may not (and really don't need to know) that a purple tether will form a destructive orb on the final boss of AK. Heck, they don't even need to know that adds spawn. All they have to do is stand in a corner and button mash. As long as the other roles know what they're supposed to do, that knowledge is completely irrelevant to a tank FOR. THAT. FIGHT. NOT. EVERY. FIGHT. WORKS. LIKE. THAT.

[drslaughtrr]

As a whm I do all I can to help in fight. When I have a good group and don't have to heal as much I cleric stance and spam Dps. Like others have said its a full group effort. I also try not to blame other roles cause the player could be having an off day. Sometimes I crash and burn a simple run. I started tank role to help me understand how to heal them better and I'm doing Dps to learn how to better chase them for heals since we healers just stand in one spot.

[Itseotle]

I also try not to blame other roles cause the player could be having an off day. Sometimes I crash and burn a simple run.

I know that feeling, and appreciate that mind set. I regularly clear EX Primals and T5, but every now and then I will do something even I can admit was dumb... like die to landslides on Titan HM xD

[skaterger]

So if i play all three roles, suddenly I become more knowledgeable running the same instance on my dps than my healer or tank?

[HoolieWho]

I think you take both of your DPS misconceptions out of context and go out of your way to misinterpret their common meanings.

1) Tanks (or healers) know the fight best.

In dungeons the tank leads the party, pulling mobs and controlling aggro and mob positioning. It doesn't matter if the rest of the party has this knowledge, it is the tank's responsibility. In primal fights and in Coil there is more responsibility to go around. "Tank has to know the dungeon," is a quote I can agree with though. Mostly healers follow the tank and DPS follow the mob the tank has selected.

2) DPS derps/bad DPS aren't noticeable.

If DPS is bad overall, that is easy to see. It's harder to single out which of your DPS is at fault and to what extent.

[Madoka]

run into SMNs who don't use dots

Help them by killing them.

[Akeda]

DPS of all classes who blatantly ignore fight mechanics

This why so many CT battles seem to fail.



It's also noticeable when a DPS is lacking or when someone (DPS or Healer) is under-geared.

[AniCelestine]

It's also noticeable when a DPS is lacking or when someone (DPS or Healer) is under-geared.

I take it that you are either a tank, or you just ignored the fact that tanks too can be under-geared. Try running a Stone Vigil for example with a tank that has lvl 20 dps gear. Thats not only noticeable, it's also fairly impossible. With undet geared dps, it's noticeable cause it just takes a bit longer to kill everything.

[givemeraptors]

This is the kind of thing I was referring to. DPS totally useless and expendable (why are they even in this game? no one knows). This person gets bonus points for thinking healers don't do much either.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ks-in-the-game

Btw, this is what dumping on other classes actually looks like.