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  1. #21
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    Kuroshi Moonwatyr
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    It's safe to say that right now, these results seem to be about RNG.

    ilv83 Flank Only VS ilv88 Flank Only

    AA (18% crit) AA (24% crit)
    SP (23% crit) SP (14% crit)
    DK (37% crit) DK (15% crit)
    TwS (10% crit) TwS (15% crit)
    HF (50% crit) HF (33% crit)
    StP (10% crit) StP (0% crit) *also only used once...weird*


    Aside from Twin Snakes and Auto, you were consistly MUCH higher on your crits than I strike-for-strike, and that could definitely have a hand in the DPS numbers.

    Now I'd like to look at min/max/med

    ilv83 Flank only VS ilv88 Flank only
    MAX-MED-MIN MAX-MED-MIN


    AA (343-218-144) AA (327-203-136)
    SP (708-419-358) SP (679-404-244)
    DK (548-363-306) DK (547-337-268)
    TwS (479-327-261) TwS (525-309-288)
    HF (577-508-352) HF (583-411-403)


    This data probably isn't the best since I didn't crit s often, didn't give me the opportunity to get higher numbers as much. However, I did have a higher Twin Snakes and Howling Fist that you at my maximum; which means I should be capable of doing the same for all other strikes and sources of damage.

    This makes me think there could be some sort of DET soft-cap like 325 or so. Since I haven't hit it yet, I will consistently have lower strikes.

    I would really appreciate if more people post'd their dummy parses as well. Flank only or not, but with enough detail that some of it can be at least analyzed. Thank you.


    PS: Since I crited more often on Twin Snakes, it sort of makes sense why that one would have a higher top value than yours, Esca. Thanks again for providing data, if you'd like to share more, I would really appreciate it. That or people can further discuss if there even is something like a Determination soft-cap.
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    Annasophia Senkusha
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    Seeing as how the MEDIAN for EVERY ability is higher for me, compared to you, it would stand to reason that strength (which you have more of with higher ilvl) raises your MAX DMG (which is why you hit a little harder with some abilities), and DET (which I have more of) raises your AVG DMG?
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    Lunairetic Emx
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    STR and DTR both increase your base damage. Period.

    Average damage is dependent on your luck with the RNG.
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  4. #24
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    It would have to be some pretty amazing RNG for me to have beaten his Median on EVERY ability, on EVERY parse that he had less DET than me. Also seeing as how all of my MIN hits are greater than his, it would make more sense that STR raises your max, DET your min (thus raising your Average inherently)
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    Last edited by xEscaflownex; 03-19-2014 at 12:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xEscaflownex View Post
    That's pretty amazing RNG for me to have beaten his Median on EVERY ability on multiple parses then, when the only thing I have more of is DET
    Have you run multiple parses to compare it to though? I have found the RNG factor to be pretty heavy in this game. Take crit for example. I have parses occasionally come out in the tune of ~10 DPS higher just because of getting lucky crits over the same time frame (4-4:30). In my experience most games level out over a decent period of time, and don't have the level of fluctuations seen in this game.
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricdeau View Post
    Have you run multiple parses to compare it to though?
    Here's 4 in a row, Im sure I could keep going endlessly with little difference: http://i.imgur.com/X87wxaf.jpg

    The Median is almost identical on every ability every time, and all beat OPs median every time, so it would appear Median DMG is NOT very RNG dependent, you just need some DET.
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    Last edited by xEscaflownex; 03-19-2014 at 01:26 AM.

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    Well, I don't reeaally care what you personally believe, as long as you don't go trying to convince random people that STR is associated with max damage and DTR is associated with min damage. So, /shrug.
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  8. #28
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    I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything lol, I'm asking questions, why are you so sure they aren't?
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  9. #29
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    Because they're obviously not. Str increases damage, and dtr increases damage. The game adds a +/- 5% randomness to the final damage. Then it checks RNG again for crit%.
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    Sigred Caewyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Because they're obviously not. Str increases damage, and dtr increases damage.
    It's always hilarious (and depressing) when someone doesn't understand simple mathematical concepts, eh? I'd try to show that person (xEscaflownex) that it's as simple as phase-shifting the graph of a function, but even that's probably too difficult to grasp.
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