Parsers

[Mardel]

It is a good way to break down how people react in certain situations. To see where people panic/make mistakes, and of course improve your dps by having fun competition among friends.

Typically if it is a pug I don't expect too much, but hey we took a pug monk to T1-5 yesterday and he did real good XD

[Maelwys]

I can appreciate both sides of the argument.

It's not nice failing an instance because a teammate is performing badly.
It's not nice being told that you are performing badly (regardless of whether the intention is just to insult you or to try to get you to shape up).

Personally, if a dedicated damage dealer does less damage than my Tank does whilst in my +enmity stance; I'd assume that they are TRYING to be bad.
It's happened on more than a few occasions; usually in PUGs, but there is at least one member of my Free Company that this applies to (no names!)

I'd usually not call someone out over it unless they're actually causing the team to struggle, but I'd certainly not have a particularly high opinion of them as a player.

[Alkimi]

as one person mentioned, they are bannable offenses in that if you are harassing someone about their DPS, and they report you with screenshot evidence, then you could receive some disciplinary action.

This just makes it seem like there's one rule for DPS and another for everyone else. When a tank or healer are terrible and not pulling their weight it is immediately obvious and people call them out on it. DPS aren't as noticeable so people use parsers to check damage. So it's ok to call out tanks/healers for being bad but not DPS?

[Mardel]

This just makes it seem like there's one rule for DPS and another for everyone else. When a tank or healer are terrible and not pulling their weight it is immediately obvious and people call them out on it. DPS aren't as noticeable so people use parsers to check damage. So it's ok to call out tanks/healers for being bad but not DPS?

When it comes to DPS, you have an advantage over healers/tanks because you can practice rotation mechanics on dummies. Sure, in theory healer/tank could in a sense but the fact of the matter is using a parser can help you make a rotation that is easy/manageable for YOU. At the same time it allows you to optimize your damage.

Like Alkimi said above healers/tanks get called bad all the time, but call a DPS real bad and suddenly the world is ending. If we can't hold DPS to the good/bad standards we place on healers/tanks then no one holds the right to complain about bad healers and tanks.

P.S. It doesn't take an elitist douche to use a parser. A parser is there for self/group improvement; the better you and your team are the more likely you can carry friends who aren't as good at the game. Simple as that.

[Musashidon]

This just makes it seem like there's one rule for DPS and another for everyone else. When a tank or healer are terrible and not pulling their weight it is immediately obvious and people call them out on it. DPS aren't as noticeable so people use parsers to check damage. So it's ok to call out tanks/healers for being bad but not DPS?

my best way to explain it is, it's not about the dps being good or bad it's about the third party tool. like if there was one for tanking or healing and it saying oh you didn't heal this much or you over healed this much or you didn't mitigate this much damage.

that's my best way to explain it, it's not about not being able to tell them they are bad it's about using a parser to do it.

[Staris]

Lol.. the devs allow us to export the combat log to a text file. There is no use for that except parsing. They clearly allow us to read combat logs and determine who is bad, its peoples poor treatment of others that is the issue.

And no you can't always detect it, someone could easily have the parsing file uploaded to dropbox and have another computer parsing it.
or like most MMOs, just rename the .exe and they can't find it anymore.

I mean I could claim I just added up all the numbers in the combat log and you looked bad, get out.
OR i could say look at the threat meter your bad, get out.

Harassing someone is never ok, but not wanting to play with horrible players is a reasonable idea. Getting replaced or kicked from the group is not the same as being harassed.

[kukurumei]

When it comes to DPS, you have an advantage over healers/tanks because you can practice rotation mechanics on dummies. Sure, in theory healer/tank could in a sense but the fact of the matter is using a parser can help you make a rotation that is easy/manageable for YOU. At the same time it allows you to optimize your damage.

Like Alkimi said above healers/tanks get called bad all the time, but call a DPS real bad and suddenly the world is ending. If we can't hold DPS to the good/bad standards we place on healers/tanks then no one holds the right to complain about bad healers and tanks.

P.S. It doesn't take an elitist douche to use a parser. A parser is there for self/group improvement; the better you and your team are the more likely you can carry friends who aren't as good at the game. Simple as that.

How about doing the phases properly. You can parse really great and still wipe the pt for being an idiot, or worse, not being an idiot, but just a huge epeen.

We tell people to stop hitting ifrit during nails or he would enrage and wipe everyone. Do they listen no. They like their epeen.

We tell people to break the melee jail first and not titan. Do they listen, no not really. someone always get landslided every so often because they missed the push.

Parsing is not the end all or be all. You can parse badly simply by being good at what you do. I parse a full 40ps less because our DPS is so good in garuda, that I have to stand there like an idiot to wait for wicked wheel to spin. Should I go running in to wicked wheel to get a few more parses up? It won't make garuda go down any faster, and it just make it worse for the healers.

ARR is more about gimicks, which makes parsing even more evil as much as it does good. Saving CDs for certain phases, getting out of the way of certain phases, holding back certain phases, etc, etc, etc.

[Amberion]

But you don't see the point I'm making he just said "Delsus are you trolling" which is why I'm calling him a douchebag,

I don't think he was harassing you. He/she/it probably just noticed how bad your DPS was compared to what you should have been able to put out with your gear. And remember that there are people out there trolling, so it was a legitimate question.

Anyway, what is so bad about asking if someone is trolling? You would think he had kicked your dog or something the way you reacted to it.

[skaterger]

When it comes to DPS, you have an advantage over healers/tanks because you can practice rotation mechanics on dummies. Sure, in theory healer/tank could in a sense but the fact of the matter is using a parser can help you make a rotation that is easy/manageable for YOU. At the same time it allows you to optimize your damage.

Like Alkimi said above healers/tanks get called bad all the time, but call a DPS real bad and suddenly the world is ending. If we can't hold DPS to the good/bad standards we place on healers/tanks then no one holds the right to complain about bad healers and tanks.

P.S. It doesn't take an elitist douche to use a parser. A parser is there for self/group improvement; the better you and your team are the more likely you can carry friends who aren't as good at the game. Simple as that.

Some people just don't get that there are players out there who have no interest whatsoever in maximizing their dps or playing their class to their maximum potential. Even if you implement a parser in game, they are not going to stand for hours in scorpion crossing to optimize their dps and there is no obligation for them to do so.

There is also nothing in the terms and conditions of the game that forces players to play the class to the best of their abilities. By playing in an mmo and putting yourself out there you are implicitly agreeing to take the good with the bad, you are going to meet good and bad players, just like in the real world. If you take on a new job and find your colleagues irritating, do you enforce a rule for them to change their behavior and insist they cater to your every whim and fancy? No, you either find a middle ground and consensus or leave the job and look for one that suits your character.

Same in ffxiv. If you are unhappy with df or pf, go join or do with an fc or static. Most competent fc grps already have parsers running in the background constructively. Parsers if introduced as a core feature of the game will make the community more toxic and vitrolic than it already is currently, especially with the anonymity of df and to a lesser extent pf. Simple as that.

[Kayo]

Like Alkimi said above healers/tanks get called bad all the time, but call a DPS real bad and suddenly the world is ending. If we can't hold DPS to the good/bad standards we place on healers/tanks then no one holds the right to complain about bad healers and tanks.

Mind pointing me to where anyone said its ok to call healers or tanks bad? I dont remember many ... if any at all. This particular thread is on the parsers, which is used primarily to pick on the DPS. If you'd like to start a thread about "picking on healers/tanks and the tools used against them" then feel free. Till then take comfort in knowing healers and especially tanks dont have to put up with such abuse nearly as often, and dont have to wait an hour or longer to find another team because some elitist dbag with a parser felt you were unworthy of his presence.