Parsers

[Alkimi]

as one person mentioned, they are bannable offenses in that if you are harassing someone about their DPS, and they report you with screenshot evidence, then you could receive some disciplinary action.

This just makes it seem like there's one rule for DPS and another for everyone else. When a tank or healer are terrible and not pulling their weight it is immediately obvious and people call them out on it. DPS aren't as noticeable so people use parsers to check damage. So it's ok to call out tanks/healers for being bad but not DPS?

[Mardel]

This just makes it seem like there's one rule for DPS and another for everyone else. When a tank or healer are terrible and not pulling their weight it is immediately obvious and people call them out on it. DPS aren't as noticeable so people use parsers to check damage. So it's ok to call out tanks/healers for being bad but not DPS?

When it comes to DPS, you have an advantage over healers/tanks because you can practice rotation mechanics on dummies. Sure, in theory healer/tank could in a sense but the fact of the matter is using a parser can help you make a rotation that is easy/manageable for YOU. At the same time it allows you to optimize your damage.

Like Alkimi said above healers/tanks get called bad all the time, but call a DPS real bad and suddenly the world is ending. If we can't hold DPS to the good/bad standards we place on healers/tanks then no one holds the right to complain about bad healers and tanks.

P.S. It doesn't take an elitist douche to use a parser. A parser is there for self/group improvement; the better you and your team are the more likely you can carry friends who aren't as good at the game. Simple as that.

[kukurumei]

When it comes to DPS, you have an advantage over healers/tanks because you can practice rotation mechanics on dummies. Sure, in theory healer/tank could in a sense but the fact of the matter is using a parser can help you make a rotation that is easy/manageable for YOU. At the same time it allows you to optimize your damage.

Like Alkimi said above healers/tanks get called bad all the time, but call a DPS real bad and suddenly the world is ending. If we can't hold DPS to the good/bad standards we place on healers/tanks then no one holds the right to complain about bad healers and tanks.

P.S. It doesn't take an elitist douche to use a parser. A parser is there for self/group improvement; the better you and your team are the more likely you can carry friends who aren't as good at the game. Simple as that.

How about doing the phases properly. You can parse really great and still wipe the pt for being an idiot, or worse, not being an idiot, but just a huge epeen.

We tell people to stop hitting ifrit during nails or he would enrage and wipe everyone. Do they listen no. They like their epeen.

We tell people to break the melee jail first and not titan. Do they listen, no not really. someone always get landslided every so often because they missed the push.

Parsing is not the end all or be all. You can parse badly simply by being good at what you do. I parse a full 40ps less because our DPS is so good in garuda, that I have to stand there like an idiot to wait for wicked wheel to spin. Should I go running in to wicked wheel to get a few more parses up? It won't make garuda go down any faster, and it just make it worse for the healers.

ARR is more about gimicks, which makes parsing even more evil as much as it does good. Saving CDs for certain phases, getting out of the way of certain phases, holding back certain phases, etc, etc, etc.

[skaterger]

When it comes to DPS, you have an advantage over healers/tanks because you can practice rotation mechanics on dummies. Sure, in theory healer/tank could in a sense but the fact of the matter is using a parser can help you make a rotation that is easy/manageable for YOU. At the same time it allows you to optimize your damage.

Like Alkimi said above healers/tanks get called bad all the time, but call a DPS real bad and suddenly the world is ending. If we can't hold DPS to the good/bad standards we place on healers/tanks then no one holds the right to complain about bad healers and tanks.

P.S. It doesn't take an elitist douche to use a parser. A parser is there for self/group improvement; the better you and your team are the more likely you can carry friends who aren't as good at the game. Simple as that.

Some people just don't get that there are players out there who have no interest whatsoever in maximizing their dps or playing their class to their maximum potential. Even if you implement a parser in game, they are not going to stand for hours in scorpion crossing to optimize their dps and there is no obligation for them to do so.

There is also nothing in the terms and conditions of the game that forces players to play the class to the best of their abilities. By playing in an mmo and putting yourself out there you are implicitly agreeing to take the good with the bad, you are going to meet good and bad players, just like in the real world. If you take on a new job and find your colleagues irritating, do you enforce a rule for them to change their behavior and insist they cater to your every whim and fancy? No, you either find a middle ground and consensus or leave the job and look for one that suits your character.

Same in ffxiv. If you are unhappy with df or pf, go join or do with an fc or static. Most competent fc grps already have parsers running in the background constructively. Parsers if introduced as a core feature of the game will make the community more toxic and vitrolic than it already is currently, especially with the anonymity of df and to a lesser extent pf. Simple as that.

[AdvancedWind]

If you take on a new job and find your colleagues irritating, do you enforce a rule for them to change their behavior and insist they cater to your every whim and fancy? No, you either find a middle ground and consensus or leave the job and look for one that suits your character.

...Bad real life comparison? Sure, I can do that too: If I were the boss (pt leader), I'd actually just fire said person and get someone else who can do the job.

[Kayo]

Like Alkimi said above healers/tanks get called bad all the time, but call a DPS real bad and suddenly the world is ending. If we can't hold DPS to the good/bad standards we place on healers/tanks then no one holds the right to complain about bad healers and tanks.

Mind pointing me to where anyone said its ok to call healers or tanks bad? I dont remember many ... if any at all. This particular thread is on the parsers, which is used primarily to pick on the DPS. If you'd like to start a thread about "picking on healers/tanks and the tools used against them" then feel free. Till then take comfort in knowing healers and especially tanks dont have to put up with such abuse nearly as often, and dont have to wait an hour or longer to find another team because some elitist dbag with a parser felt you were unworthy of his presence.

[Musashidon]

This just makes it seem like there's one rule for DPS and another for everyone else. When a tank or healer are terrible and not pulling their weight it is immediately obvious and people call them out on it. DPS aren't as noticeable so people use parsers to check damage. So it's ok to call out tanks/healers for being bad but not DPS?

my best way to explain it is, it's not about the dps being good or bad it's about the third party tool. like if there was one for tanking or healing and it saying oh you didn't heal this much or you over healed this much or you didn't mitigate this much damage.

that's my best way to explain it, it's not about not being able to tell them they are bad it's about using a parser to do it.

[Sunarie]

my best way to explain it is, it's not about the dps being good or bad it's about the third party tool. like if there was one for tanking or healing and it saying oh you didn't heal this much or you over healed this much or you didn't mitigate this much damage.

that's my best way to explain it, it's not about not being able to tell them they are bad it's about using a parser to do it.

I dunno about that. Most people (including Yoshi) don't really seem have a problem with the parser itself, and aren't going to go out of their way to shut down the big bad third party program.. but they do have a problem with people stating numbers cause they make people uncomfortable, and those who usually bring up numbers in pugs aren't doing so in a kind manner. Didn't Yoshi say something along the lines of you can use it, but don't let anyone catch you using it and don't bring it up? Honest question there.

Parsers can be useful for healing as well, and tanking. You can pinpoint where most of the damage is occurring and find out if a tank isn't using cooldowns in the most effective manner. Or if a healer is running out of mana, but has a lot of over healing, you can find that out. They are an extremely effective tool, but only when used right.. and most people don't use them right, which has earned them a lot of hate.

I also think part of it is a lot of people don't play a tank or a healer because of all the pressure, and visibility of mistakes. It would make sense people wouldn't want that visibility also being applied to the dps class. That's just my take on it though.

[KyroeFelix]

Didn't Yoshi say something along the lines of you can use it, but don't let anyone catch you using it and don't bring it up? Honest question there.

Pretty much; which is why people mentioned Fight Club. If you don't know what that is, it's a pretty good movie with Edward Norton and Brad Pitt. Look it up.

[NyneAlexander]

Pretty much; which is why people mentioned Fight Club. If you don't know what that is, it's a pretty good movie with Edward Norton and Brad Pitt. Look it up.

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