THM VS CON

[Reika]

I would like everyones opinion about what would make THM a good class to play over CON.

Changes to CON since the beginning:

Con exclusive Aoe healing spells
Two Extra Con exclusive raise spells
Boosted Elemental attacks now that weaknesses work better
Boosted Ancient magic, that still can be AOE.

Changes to THM since the beginning

Removed AOE healing
Boosted Banish and Scourge potency
Then Reduced Banish and scourge potency (1.19, and conj can use them to, but no reason to)
Boosted? then reduced potency of shadowsere
Boosted Drain Potency (oh Conj can use this too)
Boosted Siphon MP potency (Conj can use this too)

Anyone wish to add some things to the list? I will add more but I am fighting.... I dont know many people that want to play THM (or GLD) after they see how much better CON (or MRD) is compared.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

thm is a good class. Just don't main heal
also, chainspell work on thm too

[Reika]

There are several problems with it tho. The major one being the recast/cost difference of AM and Shadowsear.

Things I have noticed is Scourge/banish debuff that increased same-type damage isnt doing anything, blood rite isnt doing anything if not causing less damage to be done, and as said above, the cost/recast of shadowsear is too much compared to AM

AM is 6s cast, 100mp, 90s recast and is doing between 900-1100
Shadowsear is 4s cast, 123hp, 176mp, 180 second recast and is doing between 1000-1400 for me.

If you can get off 2 AM's in the time it takes to cast 1 Shadowsear, which one is better? 1800-2200 dmg in 3 mins is better than 1000-1400 dmg in 3 mins.

And thaum still cant take on the healer role like conj can. No problem seen with this?

[Estellios]

Sacrifice is much better single-target healing than Cure is. If you're fighting stuff that doesn't AOE THM is perfectly fine to heal. Curaga is usually a death sentence for the healer whenever you use it, unless the tank has been gaining hate for a good while.

THM nukes are easier to use than CON's, too. Ancient magic recast and the fact that they are locked as AOE limits their usefulness sometimes and you really can't use them with Profundity because of it. In fact I only ever use Profundity with ancient spells if Chainspell is ready too.

[MartaDemireux]

Didn't they just make a notice that AM were going to all share a recast timer of 1 minute and be single target only? Could have sworn I saw that. As well as something about changing the actual mechanic behind it. Did they scrap that idea?

[DeadRiser]

They do share a recast timer.

They are AoE but move with the target, not where the initial cast was.

[MartaDemireux]

They do share a recast timer.

They are AoE but move with the target, not where the initial cast was.

Hmm I guess the AM aren't working as intended then currently. Patch notes for 1.19 say they share a recast timer of 90 seconds and are single target spells now.

[zaviermhigo]

The cast is single target, the effect is aoe with the center point following the mob you casted on. Not that hard of a concept.

[grandm]

the question is which is better THM or CON. but the real question should be what job do you want (when they come) blackmage ore whitemage

[MartaDemireux]

The cast is single target, the effect is aoe with the center point following the mob you casted on. Not that hard of a concept.

I'm not high enough to see in-game text, I went by what they posted as notes which is, quote, "Now affects a single target." Using "affects" instead of "targets" makes it mean that it is not AoE which makes me think either it is a mistranslation that should be fixed or it isn't functioning as intended. Maybe we could get a Dev Response here to clear it up?

Edit: A funny thing with the gear is that the hooded attire boosts healing abilities and the attire+hat combos pale in healing ability and have very nice dd potential. Funny that as in game the conjurers wear the attire+hat and the thaumaturges wear the hooded attire while like in the OP the conjurers were given AoE heals. SE is all confused I think when it comes to these two classes.