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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    Context is what matters in this case. Gilgamesh has pretty much just been there in prior FF games. Here he's introduced as a duelist that's challenging people and taking their weapons.

    It stands to reason that the player character, being a cut above the average adventurer, blessed with the power of the echo and so on would single-handedly end Gilgamesh's pseudo-undefeated streak. The set up is definitely there.
    To be fair, that's pretty much the exact same as he was in FF12. And honestly, I can't think of an exciting 1-on-1 fight in this game, or one of any length or depth. The only way to do justice to Gilgamesh demands a fight that requires a party. Especially when you account for Enkido, who they hopefully remembered to include.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melithea View Post
    To be fair, that's pretty much the exact same as he was in FF12. And honestly, I can't think of an exciting 1-on-1 fight in this game, or one of any length or depth. The only way to do justice to Gilgamesh demands a fight that requires a party. Especially when you account for Enkido, who they hopefully remembered to include.
    This. He's essentially the same way in Type 0 as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melithea View Post
    Especially when you account for Enkido, who they hopefully remembered to include.
    Enkidu is there. Didn't you notice he is that Green Chicken

    Also, not much has changed for Gilgamesh lore wise since this is Pre-excalibur Gilgamesh so he is still challenging people in hopes one day he will find Excalibur and his journey through the Void to find Excalibur has brought him and his partner Enkidu into the world of Final Fantasy 14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melithea View Post
    To be fair, that's pretty much the exact same as he was in FF12.
    To my knowledge (FFXII's terrible english voice acting made my ears bleed, so I couldn't make it past the first half-hour), aside from Ashe and maybe Basch, the FFXII cast was your run of the mill group. No special fate, no blessings from stuff way outside the norm, no prophesies or anything along those lines. All they had was plot armor.

    Gilgamesh's role so far is textbook "bad guy with power/skill is causing trouble, good guy with power/skill comes in and single-handedly takes him down". The dueling aspect reeks of stuff like this. Replace the town of Agua Fria with Eorzea, Texas Red with Gilgamesh, and the arizona ranger with the player character.

    After all the trouble the writers went through to build up the player character in the story between whatever abilites they have, the power of the echo, the backing of Hydaelin and so on, having 4/8 people gang up on a guy that's been introduced as a duelist simply doesn't make much sense.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    To my knowledge (FFXII's terrible english voice acting made my ears bleed, so I couldn't make it past the first half-hour), aside from Ashe and maybe Basch, the FFXII cast was your run of the mill group. No special fate, no blessings from stuff way outside the norm, no prophesies or anything along those lines. All they had was plot armor.
    What she means is, it's the same as in FFXIV - He's a 'duelist' there as well but you still fight with a party. You're pretty damn special in FFV as well, which is his original appearance, and it was still fought in a party even if he was purely "buddy buddy" with Bartz so in context, it should have been him and Bartz only but you still fought in a party.


    He has always been a party based fight. Changing that now is like changing Omega to being a mount reward instead of fighting him and/or Shinryu.

    After all the trouble the writers went through to build up the player character in the story between whatever abilites they have, the power of the echo, the backing of Hydaelin and so on, having 4/8 people gang up on a guy that's been introduced as a duelist simply doesn't make much sense.
    Yeah...so um, remember in FF how 3-8+ (if you think about the story) gangs up on 1 person, numerous times? If we're talking about XIV specifically, there's a lot of story points where it should be "one on one" but it's not, especially if you bring up the echo, we should be technically soloing Bahamut's Coil.
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