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    TheRogueX's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMage View Post
    Its not "Eastern game developers".

    Would you prefer some of the Western methods instead, such as needing to DESTROY the items you're using for vanity?
    I guess I've never played whatever game that is.

    Quite simply, there should be a set of slots that are vanity slots, and you should just be able to equip items in them, a la Lord of the Rings Online, which has the best, most complete, most player-friendly vanity system I've ever seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMage View Post
    Its not "Eastern game developers".

    Would you prefer some of the Western methods instead, such as needing to DESTROY the items you're using for vanity?
    Uhm.

    Rift, western MMO. Doesn't destroy vanity items; instead has separate wardrobe slots you equip your gear into to override the look of your actual gear. LotRO as well. WoW doesn't destroy your gear...

    TERA, eastern MMO. Destroys an armor piece to use as a template to re-skin your existing armor. This is how it works in Aion, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    Uhm.

    Rift, western MMO. Doesn't destroy vanity items; instead has separate wardrobe slots you equip your gear into to override the look of your actual gear. LotRO as well. WoW doesn't destroy your gear...

    TERA, eastern MMO. Destroys an armor piece to use as a template to re-skin your existing armor. This is how it works in Aion, as well.
    GW2, Western development team. Transmutation stones (the vanity system for that game) destroy items. So does that mean suddenly all western developers are awful, since your little "If I can think of a bad example, it means I can demonize a whole ethnicity." rule is in effect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    You characterized "western methods" as "needing to DESTROY the items you're using for vanity", when this is far more common in eastern MMOs. I wasn't demonizing anything or anyone, simply countering your assertion. What the hell, man?
    He asked why eastern developers are make players jump through hoops instead of just having vanity tabs like western developers. Not all western developers use vanity tabs, and like I said "SOME" (key word, since reading is your weak point and you're just out to put words in people's mouths and start fights) western developers use methods even worse than XIV's glamour system, such as needing to destroy two items for vanity. But hey, just interject without reading and start attacking and putting words in people's mouths, "dudebro".

    Sorry for not agreeing that all eastern devs are backwards and need to be "enlightened" like westerners. I'll never say anything about a western dev again or anything good about an eastern dev. So sorry! My insolence should not go unpunished!

    Funny how XIV uses an appearance system pretty similar to WoW, the most popular Western MMO, but apparently SE are "backwards eastern game developers." I take issue with you painting the picture as an eastern developer vs western developer issue, when there are multiple western developers with vanity systems equally "backwards/terrible" or even worse than XIV's.
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    Last edited by BlueMage; 03-15-2014 at 10:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMage View Post
    Its not "Eastern game developers".

    Would you prefer some of the Western methods instead, such as needing to DESTROY the items you're using for vanity?
    Here is a the UI in a western MMO,

    http://i.imgur.com/zdSKUoG.jpg

    simple drag and drop where you put the items you want your gear to look like from the bag and pay with gold. They items not destroyed they stay in your bags. I have never seen a game that destroys items for vanity. I think when people wanted a simple UI vanity slots they were talking about something similar to this.
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    my thoughts so far are I can't wait to vanity this stupid scholar primal book

    STOP LOOKING AT ME
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRogueX View Post
    I was afraid they'd do something stupid, like require some ridiculous item in order to do it. I am incredibly disappointed in this too. What is up with Eastern game developers doing crap like this? Nothing is ever simple, it always requires a cost.
    It's painfully obvious you never played an eastern developed game..ever if you think this system is on par course.

    You do realize other vanity systems in EASTERN DEVELOPED GAMES will even grant bonus stats..right? They use a mask system more so than transmog/destroy system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    It's painfully obvious you never played an eastern developed game..ever if you think this system is on par course.

    You do realize other vanity systems in EASTERN DEVELOPED GAMES will even grant bonus stats..right? They use a mask system more so than transmog/destroy system.
    I wasn't so much talking about the vanity system specifically when I said 'nothing is ever simple, it always requires a cost.' It's just that systems that should be easy or player-friendly because they're cosmetic or otherwise not game-affecting tend to be overly complicated and costly in Eastern games. I was surprised to see a LotRO-style housing system appearing in FFXIV, only to read that some items, once placed, are destroyed if you try to pick them up. Then, a purely-cosmetic vanity system... that is complicated and has incredible restrictions.

    Anyway, I had more to say but I gotta go to work, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRogueX View Post
    I wasn't so much talking about the vanity system specifically when I said 'nothing is ever simple, it always requires a cost.' It's just that systems that should be easy or player-friendly because they're cosmetic or otherwise not game-affecting tend to be overly complicated and costly in Eastern games. I was surprised to see a LotRO-style housing system appearing in FFXIV, only to read that some items, once placed, are destroyed if you try to pick them up. Then, a purely-cosmetic vanity system... that is complicated and has incredible restrictions.

    Anyway, I had more to say but I gotta go to work, lol.
    Yeah this isn't typical in Eastern games...just Square Enix lol. Even MapleStory's Farmville makes more sense than this game at times.
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    IMHO, the problem is that they still focus on many many aspect of the game with a single big patch, and this is a good thing.. but i'd like to see more focus on end game content.

    For example, instead of 3 casual dungeon, i'd prefer 1 single new dungeon and more bosses for endgame.. what about, 7-8 boss for coil instead of 4?

    Another thing is that we still miss an "hardcore" 24 men content designed for guild.. and this is the biggest issue atm...

    In TS we have about 7-8 coil channel.. and i know just my pt and a few of other guys because we can't play together cuz the main content is only for 8.

    What about an hardmode CT ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonheart View Post
    IMHO, the problem is that they still focus on many many aspect of the game with a single big patch, and this is a good thing.. but i'd like to see more focus on end game content.

    For example, instead of 3 casual dungeon, i'd prefer 1 single new dungeon and more bosses for endgame.. what about, 7-8 boss for coil instead of 4?

    Another thing is that we still miss an "hardcore" 24 men content designed for guild.. and this is the biggest issue atm...

    In TS we have about 7-8 coil channel.. and i know just my pt and a few of other guys because we can't play together cuz the main content is only for 8.

    What about an hardmode CT ?
    24 man content isn't going to happen because PS3 players can't run it.
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