So.. ruining leves with no content to replace it?

[GabbaGabba]

The problem is not the guildleve change, but what is the planned main focus in party rank progression. If we're going to sit around and make ridiculous statements that we're glad people with more time progress faster (really, why?) we could be raising better questions in abundance to get a word from devs.

They are changing leves. That's great. Give us your new direction then. It's starting to look like they don't have one and that is what is ultimately pissing people off.

they have a direction which is aimed towards party play but people don't want to go that direction and complain.

do quest hubs/subquests for exp
grind world mobs in a party (if you have never tried, dont say that it doesn't work)
do dungeons (it takes an hr to do leves so if u complete a dungeon and gain 20k exp then its pretty much the same thing)

im glad they are nerfing leves which were exploited and wasn't used as intended

[AtlasThomas]

There is absolutely NO WAY that once leves are made for solo play that there will be enough dungeons or beast tribes available for months to make up for it. Party play will be shit after we beat the dungeons in a week, then put them on farm.. and beast tribes don't sound like it will be out anytime soon. I'm very dissapointed in the focus on solo play, cause the hardcore players who have been here since day one (like me) would like for some mature end game content. Instead its just getting easier and easier, ruining our game.

[darkstarpoet1]

And you think you, as one of the most complaining players about pretty much EVERY aspect of the game, are a valid resource of what should be changed or kept in the game?

The only thing you preach is the armageddon on each and every patch, before it even happened.

I can only repeat myself here. People will ALWAYS do what's currently the best SP/H. If it's not gonna be leves anymore after the patch, they will find equal grinding spots to raptors, for ALL rank ranges. If leves are still gonna be more SP/H than grinding on mobs, people will go on grinding through leves and if neccesarry will go on failing them.

All I can say is, grinding a class through leves is WAY TOO FAST atm. It almost seems like people can't even remember how all of this started and back then people never complained about SP at all! Before the November SP Patch, people grinded on mobs with 15man PTs trying to get hit as much as possible, so casters can get their SP and fighting mobs so way above your rank, so 12 DDs can hit it long enough to get SP before it dies.

After the November Patch the whole leve link/fail thing was already viable. Most people didn't know about it though so it was a thing limited to the players who actually found out about it themselves. I have been in such a group that tested such stuff and we have been a static of 4. Back in early december you know what a 4way linked Leve WITH Aspect gave us SP wise? Freaking 300SP per mob AND WE WERE HAPPY!

The only reason why people complain about this whole leve stuff is, cause they either never experienced the "old times" where people still were happy about the SP, even if it was only 10k SP/h, or they are just lazy asses who want to get to 50 ASAP...

Sorry I remember the times before this whole leve link/fail thing startedand the times right after the leve link/fail was possible and gave HALF the SP than it does right now...and right now I'd prefer the slower grind WAY more than grinding through failed leves in 4 weeks and ding 50.

undoubtedly i am. it seems i am unhappy with the game as well as the vast majority that have already left the game. the truth is only a select few people play the game at this point. they play for one of 2 reasons. 1 they like super easy hello kitty games or 2 they are leveling classes hoping the game will be made better. the vast majority have already left so i'd guess the unhappy ones on here are better aligned with what the majority that got this game wanted.

yes, i have talked about how bad the patches from this upcoming patch would be. i stand by it. the more notes and letters from the developer that are released more of the people that have supported the changes are moving towards the same direction also. i've seen many people that religiously talked up these changes are now getting nervous because of the information that has came out about them.

you think you are the only one that did crab parties? yeah they were so much fun......beat on a mob over and over and get 60sp and have a mage max proc every mob we fought. btw 300 sp would be fine with me. i am not saying the reducing sp gains is bad, but by moving this content to solo catered content it just removes about the only thing people enjoyed doing without replacing it. yes, they said they will in the future, but i have fears about how many will still be here to see them.

[TirionCrey]

undoubtedly i am. it seems i am unhappy with the game as well as the vast majority that have already left the game. the truth is only a select few people play the game at this point. they play for one of 2 reasons. 1 they like super easy hello kitty games or 2 they are leveling classes hoping the game will be made better. the vast majority have already left so i'd guess the unhappy ones on here are better aligned with what the majority that got this game wanted.

yes, i have talked about how bad the patches from this upcoming patch would be. i stand by it. the more notes and letters from the developer that are released more of the people that have supported the changes are moving towards the same direction also. i've seen many people that religiously talked up these changes are now getting nervous because of the information that has came out about them.

you think you are the only one that did crab parties? yeah they were so much fun......beat on a mob over and over and get 60sp and have a mage max proc every mob we fought. btw 300 sp would be fine with me. i am not saying the reducing sp gains is bad, but by moving this content to solo catered content it just removes about the only thing people enjoyed doing without replacing it. yes, they said they will in the future, but i have fears about how many will still be here to see them.

You're a hyprocrite. You say 300 SP would be fine for you, but at the same time you say moving leves towards catering solo players is "taking away the only thing people enjoy".

Well if you'd really enjoy it that much, what will keep you from doing it EVEN with getting less SP? You are just argueing about stuff when the only and sole reason you don't want this to happen is getting reduced SP...you are obviously NOT fine with getting 300 SP, cause otherwise you could give a ***about this change. You are contradicting yourself in ***...getting 300 SP(which is around 50% of what we get now) is fine, but reducing the SP in leves is taking away content without replacing it for something else? Get your arguments straight and then argue with valid reasons...

I will repeat myself. You say you're fine with getting reduced SP and that's ALL they are gonna change about Leves...but this sucks? You are just...

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

they have a direction which is aimed towards party play but people don't want to go that direction and complain.

do quest hubs/subquests for exp
grind world mobs in a party (if you have never tried, dont say that it doesn't work)
do dungeons (it takes an hr to do leves so if u complete a dungeon and gain 20k exp then its pretty much the same thing)

im glad they are nerfing leves which were exploited and wasn't used as intended

They never stated a clear direction. They look to be just taking a shot in the dark. There have been no mention of quest hubs since letter 9. It's still up in the air if it's even going to make it in 1.18. Unless an update preview for it comes next week I wouldn't really expect it.

Grinding on mobs is something I have done and it is viable. Surplus is an annoyance when it comes to field grinding though and I'd like to know when surplus will actually be removed.

Gaining SP during a dungeon is something that is stated as an option through the devs. I wouldn't count on it being wildly popular in a progression sense though. More so for the gear and item rewards. Also, what are you doing to make 20k an hr. during leves? I make 80k SP in an hour of a leve run. That example doesn't equate. Of course, this is basically the reason why they have been dumbed down and rightfully so, but we come back to this. What is the main focus in rank progression going to be now?

They cannot say, that all options are equal. They won't be and that is near impossible to develop progression systems and line them all up that way. There is always going to be a main system of progression with options. I suppose the players will just have to figure out what that will be since no one really cares to fill us in on it.

[darkstarpoet1]

You're a hyprocrite. You say 300 SP would be fine for you, but at the same time you say moving leves towards catering solo players is "taking away the only thing people enjoy".

Well if you'd really enjoy it that much, what will keep you from doing it EVEN with getting less SP? You are just argueing about stuff when the only and sole reason you don't want this to happen is getting reduced SP...you are obviously NOT fine with getting 300 SP, cause otherwise you could give a shit about this change. You are contradicting yourself in Bullshit...getting 300 SP(which is around 50% of what we get now) is fine, but reducing the SP in leves is taking away content without replacing it for something else? Get your arguments straight and then argue with valid reasons...

I will repeat myself. You say you're fine with getting reduced SP and that's ALL they are gonna change about Leves...but this sucks? You are just...

ok first thing, you are in constant violation of tos.

second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp.

third, if leves go to being catered to a more casual group then the parties will happen less. party play is what makes the game fun not running stuff solo. that is not a contradiction, but pure fact.

you can call whatever you want, but truth is you are just ignoring the facts.

[Verecund]

This thread title is misleading, in that it implies that guildleves were not already a half-baked flustercuck on arrival.

[zaviermhigo]

Only a player over rank 35 can grasp how terrible this is. There's a huge exp/sp sink to get to rank 50. You don't feel this "hump" till around 35. It around there you get a rank everyday with a good grind/leve sesh (mean you link leves with at least 4 people using all good leves and failing sometimes). Soloing isn't fun to me, but neither was this grind past the 30s. SO either way they've kinda effed up on the fun department here. If you guys like soloing thats effing cool, but I haven't noticed very many people with higher level ranks in staunch defense of this new system. And i would love leves to not be the main focus of the game, they suck, they really do. If you like leves, and you've made it 50 and you liked the whole failing leves thing and all that, I think you're crazy. But thats just me. For some people this is their first mmo and their expectations are low, I get that. They can't just tell me "solo to 50 then group up with people" or "solo to 25 then group up to do dungeons and behest, and then rank up to 45 by yourself and do dungeons again with people", every mmo now a days does that, less mmos do "party gameplay" making the original concept of leves original. They could come out and say "oh we have party based plans", which they did say, but it sounded like its coming out 1.20 which is slated for September, they don't understand we have real lives now, I have college to attend in september, so i'll just chill and wait for party based play in mmo...that's just not right.

[Holyomen]

If I'm understanding the OP correctly he's asking if they plan on changing leves from the focus of the game why not hold off and do it once you have something else in place first?
And that I agree with.

But I have the feeling that SE has been tracking the leveling progress and it may be that players are able to rank up faster than what they would like, so overall they may want to change to game to slow it down some.
Although I enjoy being able to level quickly I would understand if that's what SE wants to do. Just be quick about getting rid of surplus and we'll call it even.

[Balbanes]

yeah they realize it and will undergo cost analysis and discussions about the possible implementation of the beginnings of mob adjustments some time in the future. just hang in there and wait for them.

darkstarpoet, what state is XIV in? Would you call the game "retail ready" yet? Are you paying to play? You don't seem to understand that although SE has not officially labeled XIV as back in Beta, it most certainly is at that stage.

It will be fixed as soon as they can. It's as simple as that.