So.. ruining leves with no content to replace it?

[TirionCrey]

undoubtedly i am. it seems i am unhappy with the game as well as the vast majority that have already left the game. the truth is only a select few people play the game at this point. they play for one of 2 reasons. 1 they like super easy hello kitty games or 2 they are leveling classes hoping the game will be made better. the vast majority have already left so i'd guess the unhappy ones on here are better aligned with what the majority that got this game wanted.

yes, i have talked about how bad the patches from this upcoming patch would be. i stand by it. the more notes and letters from the developer that are released more of the people that have supported the changes are moving towards the same direction also. i've seen many people that religiously talked up these changes are now getting nervous because of the information that has came out about them.

you think you are the only one that did crab parties? yeah they were so much fun......beat on a mob over and over and get 60sp and have a mage max proc every mob we fought. btw 300 sp would be fine with me. i am not saying the reducing sp gains is bad, but by moving this content to solo catered content it just removes about the only thing people enjoyed doing without replacing it. yes, they said they will in the future, but i have fears about how many will still be here to see them.

You're a hyprocrite. You say 300 SP would be fine for you, but at the same time you say moving leves towards catering solo players is "taking away the only thing people enjoy".

Well if you'd really enjoy it that much, what will keep you from doing it EVEN with getting less SP? You are just argueing about stuff when the only and sole reason you don't want this to happen is getting reduced SP...you are obviously NOT fine with getting 300 SP, cause otherwise you could give a ***about this change. You are contradicting yourself in ***...getting 300 SP(which is around 50% of what we get now) is fine, but reducing the SP in leves is taking away content without replacing it for something else? Get your arguments straight and then argue with valid reasons...

I will repeat myself. You say you're fine with getting reduced SP and that's ALL they are gonna change about Leves...but this sucks? You are just...

[darkstarpoet1]

You're a hyprocrite. You say 300 SP would be fine for you, but at the same time you say moving leves towards catering solo players is "taking away the only thing people enjoy".

Well if you'd really enjoy it that much, what will keep you from doing it EVEN with getting less SP? You are just argueing about stuff when the only and sole reason you don't want this to happen is getting reduced SP...you are obviously NOT fine with getting 300 SP, cause otherwise you could give a shit about this change. You are contradicting yourself in Bullshit...getting 300 SP(which is around 50% of what we get now) is fine, but reducing the SP in leves is taking away content without replacing it for something else? Get your arguments straight and then argue with valid reasons...

I will repeat myself. You say you're fine with getting reduced SP and that's ALL they are gonna change about Leves...but this sucks? You are just...

ok first thing, you are in constant violation of tos.

second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp.

third, if leves go to being catered to a more casual group then the parties will happen less. party play is what makes the game fun not running stuff solo. that is not a contradiction, but pure fact.

you can call whatever you want, but truth is you are just ignoring the facts.

[TirionCrey]

ok first thing, you are in constant violation of tos.

second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp.

third, if leves go to being catered to a more casual group then the parties will happen less. party play is what makes the game fun not running stuff solo. that is not a contradiction, but pure fact.

you can call whatever you want, but truth is you are just ignoring the facts.

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

[PrettyPrincess]

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

I just dont think it's worth arguing with it. Waste of breath it is. mr. darkstar doesn't seem to understand a lot of things

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

Up until now, guildleves have been positioned as the heart of gameplay in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Going forward, however, guildleves will be reborn as solo-oriented content that can be enjoyed with minimal time and fuss.

The skill point bonus will be abolished for battlecraft leves. The amount of skill points awarded for slaying individual enemies will be reduced, but this will be offset by the inclusion of skill points as a reward for leve completion. To accommodate this change, factors such as recommended/actual rank disparity, completion time, and partial participation will be made to influence the amount of points yielded. In addition, leve linking and sharing bonuses will be reduced, while the maximum number of linkable leves will be raised.

I bolded the parts in which you seem to not understand. Think about it a little more. What looks more desirable? Solo play or party play?

[darkstarpoet1]

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

ok i will spell this out for you one more time and then i am done discussing anything with you.

1. if less people party for going the solo route then you will have less options to party with and less parties running.

2. it is what makes the game more fun is to play in a party. i don't care if it removes sp or it gets rid of parties in leves all together as it removes one of the aspects people will party with.

3. mrd for example will only be able to get their marks in limsa leves, for example. if you are playing thm and your leves for marks are in grid what is the chance of going and completing the leves with them in limsa? i am not saying you in particular, but people in general. this will lead to either parties of straight mrd in limsa and people not learning basic party structures or more people running their leves solo.

4. i never once said i would have every class capped. i said most.

"second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp."

there i copied my own post that you decided to quote. yes, right now i have gla 35, lnc 31, and mrd 28 that are not capped. i will likely have gla capped before the patch or very close to it. i will have arc, thm, con, gla, and pug caped with only lnc and mrd not capped. if that's not most of them i'm not sure what math you use.

[GabbaGabba]

ok i will spell this out for you one more time and then i am done discussing anything with you.

1. if less people party for going the solo route then you will have less options to party with and less parties running.

2. it is what makes the game more fun is to play in a party. i don't care if it removes sp or it gets rid of parties in leves all together as it removes one of the aspects people will party with.

3. mrd for example will only be able to get their marks in limsa leves, for example. if you are playing thm and your leves for marks are in grid what is the chance of going and completing the leves with them in limsa? i am not saying you in particular, but people in general. this will lead to either parties of straight mrd in limsa and people not learning basic party structures or more people running their leves solo.

4. i never once said i would have every class capped. i said most.

"second, i will have most every class already capped so i could care less about the sp."

there i copied my own post that you decided to quote. yes, right now i have gla 35, lnc 31, and mrd 28 that are not capped. i will likely have gla capped before the patch or very close to it. i will have arc, thm, con, gla, and pug caped with only lnc and mrd not capped. if that's not most of them i'm not sure what math you use.

unless u played the patch or have a crystal ball, everything u just said is speculation and pure assumptions.

raise ur hand if you knew at the launch of this game that everyone would migrate to uldah and do the same damn levequests over and over and over for the next 7 months? no one? right.

[darkstarpoet1]

unless u played the patch or have a crystal ball, everything u just said is speculation and pure assumptions.

raise ur hand if you knew at the launch of this game that everyone would migrate to uldah and do the same damn levequests over and over and over for the next 7 months? no one? right.

and everyone arguing the worries are stupid are doing the same thing. the point is nobody knows what is happening and people state their worries and get blasted by these forum trolls. who's to blame for the fact that nobody knows? it would be se for it's lack of information.

[SAMINUS]

This just hilarious, how am I ignoring facts?

Fact 1: SP gets reduced for leve linking and for each mob killed.

Fact 2: Finishing a leve will give you extra SP(based on difficulty setting, completion time etc)

What does this change about Leves being part of this game and people being able to do them at all?
I will repeat myself once again...you say this will keep people from PTing on leves because Yoshi says they will be catered towards solo players?

Well, I'm just worried if you are able to think that far but apparently not...doing leves NOT solo is STILL gonna be MORE SP, compared to doing them solo. Doing them solo is just supposed to give you some sort of progression AS WELL(which is not the case right now after you hit mid/late 30s)

PS: First...I don't care if I'm in constant violation of the ToS...people like you don't seem to get it w/o throwing stuff like that at your face.

Second...your signature and more importantly your Lodestone Profile(as it is more up to date than your signature) tells me you won't be capped on all before the patch...so obviously you DO care.

NOTHING that will change about leves would keep people from doing leves in group...NOTHING...what is so hard to understand about that?

Leve links and mobs in leves will give less SP...but doing them Solo is gonna be even less...so what is everybodies point in this argument, especially you Darkstar...you just seem to fail at thinking 1 step ahead...all you see is reduced SP...just think...it might make your head hurt, but do it, it will pay off in the end!

Sorry man but these are assumptions, we don't have any proof at this moment of how SP will be as solo compared to party play. Hell SE might make it to where if you have 8 people all linked with GA on the same leve get less SP than someone running it solo. At this point WE DO NOT KNOW. Just hang tight til we can post possible issues regarding the changes after they have come. Until then, kinda doesn't matter.