So.. ruining leves with no content to replace it?

[Petori]

Leves are indeed by industry standard as people like to throw around, content. They weren't supposed to be the only form of content -- especially for this long.

They've been repeated far too many times so they're like job routines for me. Hope they really make partying worth it so people can finally turn away from leves. XP chains please.

[VydarrTyr]

Grinding on mobs is still very doable at all level ranges, just a bit more tedious work with having to wait for some respawns, finding some of the mobs and run from one mob to the next.

I've got to disagree with this. Grinding is certainly possible right now. But there aren't enough mobs, and the respawn rate is too low. So many areas will not support grind parties. And there are very few areas that will support more than one grind party.

So when you take out leves, and everyone in the game has to grind? Grinding is not going to be doable.

Of course, maybe they're aware of this. Maybe 1.18 will include significant changes to mob distribution and respawn rates, so grinding will become viable. But that would take some pretty significant changes.

[TirionCrey]

Do people not read that several factors of leves are getting Reduced? Bonus, SP from mobs, Link Bonus, maybe even bonus from Favor.

Did YOU not read that you will get BONUS SP for COMPLETING a Leve now? This could very well make up for reduced link and mob SP in general. Not to mention they said we will be able to link more leves now, so we could basically get the same SP as before with just 1-2 more links on one leve.

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We will get extra SP for finishing a leve so this is a GOOD thing! With finishing the leve we might end up at the same SP per Leve as we did before PLUS getting the rewards/credits for it, which is by FAR better than failing them over and over.

And another thing...even if it's gonna be less SP overall than before...who *** cares? Grinding is WAY too fast atm...I can take a class from 1 to 50 in 5 weeks, considering I've got a 4man static for leves...

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focus on complaining about stuff that actually needs to be adressed NOW...and grinding FASTER to 50 is not even in the Top 1000....

[Zenaku]

So we went from calling the game Beta to Alpha? am sorry but this is more like Beta7 for me Beta4= Open beta.

Patch 20.0 = Real open beta

[Petori]

Using that this game is in alpha or beta for excuse is beyond stupid (even though the current state can be compared to them). Last time I checked this game is released.

[Lautus]

I've got to disagree with this. Grinding is certainly possible right now. But there aren't enough mobs, and the respawn rate is too low. So many areas will not support grind parties. And there are very few areas that will support more than one grind party.

So when you take out leves, and everyone in the game has to grind? Grinding is not going to be doable.

Of course, maybe they're aware of this. Maybe 1.18 will include significant changes to mob distribution and respawn rates, so grinding will become viable. But that would take some pretty significant changes.

It's a self-fulfilling solution. There won't be enough mobs so players will get bored and quit. Once some people quit then there will only be enough players left to form one party. Only the strong (or determined) survive.

[SAMINUS]

This isn't something new or from out of the blue. This game was made with a promise to be solo player friendly. Ya I think there should be more group content as well, however, I feel this is a good direction to at least grab some solo players that have rage quit back into the game.

[Mug]

Regardless, I think we'll all just continue doing leves like normal, even if it gives us less SP in parties. It's not like we have much choice. I just hope 1.19 comes fast and that they won't delay too much of what's promised in that patch to 1.20 (we all know it will happen).

[VydarrTyr]

Did YOU not read that you will get BONUS SP for COMPLETING a Leve now? This could very well make up for reduced link and mob SP in general. Not to mention they said we will be able to link more leves now, so we could basically get the same SP as before with just 1-2 more links on one leve.

That's a fair point, Tirion. (And hi )

I'm assuming that the SP bonus and increased number of leve links will not be as much SP as you currently get. This is based on the fact that Yoshi-P said that leves will be primarily solo content. If you just had to get more people in your party, and then everything would be the same, they would not be solo content. They'd be large party content. Yoshi-P said they're not going to be party content at all.

So based on what's been said, I don't think we'll be getting the same SP as before with just 1-2 more links. Based on what Yoshi-P said, the benefits of leve linking will be small enough that it won't be worth doing leves in parties.

Not to mention that people of different classes probably won't want to do the same leves anyway. Marauders will want to run leves in LL; Conj/Pug/Glad will want to run leves in Uldah; Thm/Arc/Lnc will want to run leves in Gridania. So it will be tougher to get parties -- especially diverse parties with people playing their intended roles -- anyway.

And another thing...even if it's gonna be less SP overall than before...who *** cares? Grinding is WAY too fast atm...I can take a class from 1 to 50 in 5 weeks, considering I've got a 4man static for leves...

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focus on complaining about stuff that actually needs to be adressed NOW...and grinding FASTER to 50 is not even in the Top 1000....

Again, that's a fair point. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to slow down leveling speed.

But I think the main problem with the game is lack of content. Yoshi-P admitted that turning leves into solo content will create a lack of party-based content, until they implement more stuff to fill that hole. He asked us to be patient until they fill those holes.

My concern is that they're taking stuff away before they implement other stuff to replace it. If the problem is lack of content, taking content away is going to make the game less enjoyable for the people who've stuck around.

I know we have to look long term. But in the short term, I'd prefer that they try to keep the current player base happy and interested and playing the game.

Like you said, we don't actually know what the changes are going to be. So this could be a tempest in a teapot. But based on what's been said, I think it's fair to voice concerns about them reducing the amount of content, rather than increasing it.

[VydarrTyr]

It's a self-fulfilling solution. There won't be enough mobs so players will get bored and quit. Once some people quit then there will only be enough players left to form one party. Only the strong (or determined) survive.

Sad as this is, your response made me giggle.