So.. ruining leves with no content to replace it?

[SAMINUS]

More information would be nice.

[Davorok]

Hmmm...a lot of peeps have been complaining about how "Easy-Mode" this game is and how ridiculous it is that a "Hardcore Grinder" can acheive R50 in one weekend, soooo they are nerfing the SP gains to slow down the ridiculously easy-mode leveling and now it seems like those same peeps are crying foul.

Do you want easy-mode or do you want challenge? You can't have both. Make up your minds.

[darkstarpoet1]

Hmmm...a lot of peeps have been complaining about how "Easy-Mode" this game is and how ridiculous it is that a "Hardcore Grinder" can acheive R50 in one weekend, soooo they are nerfing the SP gains to slow down the ridiculously easy-mode leveling and now it seems like those same peeps are crying foul.

Do you want easy-mode or do you want challenge? You can't have both. Make up your minds.

easy mode is not the same as leveling fast. your battles are easy. add challenge to the battles and the sp can say the same and it's still challenging. it's not a problem when people can rank up fast for me because i realize this will eventually be mid level, but there still needs to be a challenge when inside of battle.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Have you ever linked? Because it sure sounds like you haven't.

no one talks.. nor do I care about linking you guys complain about leveling to fast aswell. I do not care for leveling fast just havung fun. And a silent mmo is NOT my idea of fun.
No i haven't linked, but i do not care for the "bonuses" that happened. Since again people complain about leveling to fast

Linking was a CHOICE, people FORCED it much like cookie cutting in ffxi. You didn't nor do have to link if you do not wish to. And it also made it so people can do levels all day instead of just 8.

Less is more at times. Like in ffxi you fight more ep modb for less exp per kill but got more exp from it in less time then killing Dc mobs worth more exp because you kill less in that time. Going on the OLD exp about 30 exp a kill killing about 150 in 30 min. (with resting) vs 50 exp off 90 mobs in 30 min. Same mobs just 1 set is ep next set is dc. It takes less time to kill an ep and can kill more before resting.

[Colino]

I feel like Yoshi is betraying his own words with those whole leve nerf.

Why not just delay until there's alternative content? I mean, he specifically came out and said that he KNOWS SP WILL BE BAD and he's still gonna do it.

Whatever happened to "Change for the sake of change isn't the way to go?". All this really looks like change for the sake of change, because it's all so completely unnecessary right now!

[Vackashken]

Building the game around the leve system ruined the game. I'm glad to see it go.

So meh.

[Ichi]

Hmmm...a lot of peeps have been complaining about how "Easy-Mode" this game is and how ridiculous it is that a "Hardcore Grinder" can acheive R50 in one weekend, soooo they are nerfing the SP gains to slow down the ridiculously easy-mode leveling and now it seems like those same peeps are crying foul.

Do you want easy-mode or do you want challenge? You can't have both. Make up your minds.

Ummm what same fools lol this comment seems unplanned, I'm pretty sure the people complaining on the 2 threads aren't the same people lol.

BTW I'm glad it will be harder to level everyone needs to slow down it's way too easy now. Sorry to be such a hardcore elitist douche bag guys I can't change how my mama made me ::turns nose up:: (insert random i'm better than you comment). ~sarcasm

[TirionCrey]

Okay, I will post this not directed to you Darkstar, but to everyone in general who is "worried" about this whole thing.

First: No matter how much SP will be reduced for linking and the mobs in general...to even assume it could be less SP than running the leve solo is just stupid. Sorry...with the outmost respect, you are stupid. I think SE is aware of giving solo players more SP than running a leve as a group is just stupid, so they won't do it, that much I don't have to speculate, that much should be fact using common sense.

Second: Bonus for the completion of the leve is based on "performance". Meaning your difficulty setting, your competion time and maybe more factors will add to that bonus. A player doing a leve solo might be able to kill the mobs without much hassle, if they are up to 5-6 ranks above him. Well your SP will be uncapped for those mobs for 4 ranks already...so the completion bonus must be pretty low. A group of people can kill SP capped mobs up to 12-15 ranks above them(even though the mob being more than 10 ranks above you won't give more SP for killing), but it will influence your bonus on completion. So that alone ensures that solo players won't get more SP than a group of people doing the same leve.

Third: Does anybody really believe Guild marks being restricted to cities where the guild is in will change ANYTHING about the habit how people do leves? First, most people give a crap about guild marks on battle classes anyway...second...if they really care about guild marks, they can run some leves solo that reward guild marks which brings me to fourth...

Fourth: Players will ALWAYS do what's considered the best/fastest way of grinding. All other factors are gonna be ignored. If doing leves as a whole is not gonna be the fastest way of grinding anymore after the patch, everyone will switch to the new fastest way of grinding. One fact is, doing leves solo will never be more worthwhile than doing them as a group, cause it makes no sense and I trust SE that much to know that.

If leves will not be the fastest way of grinding anymore but stuff like raptor grinds will be the new way of grinding, lpayers will find camps all around the world to party and grind on...just like it was at the beginning of the game on Crab/Eft/Hog/Raptor grinds.

And honestly...I would prefer party play getting away from leves and more to actual grinding in the outskirts of Eorzea...leves should be a way for people who don't have much time on their hand to still get some progress(which was the initial reason for them) and not the center of everything and I'm glad they will get rid of leves being the center for everything. If leves still gonna be the best way to grind, I can live with that but at least the reduced SP for groups will make grinding on regular mobs around the world more viable.

[Holland]

^

It has been hard trying to explain similar matters on Leves to these guys on both threads. But no, "There are no ways to rank up anymore" We will be stuck at any rank we are at when the patch is implemented.

[Demimatrix]

Quiting for a while > More Viable.

Derp'd SE