So.. ruining leves with no content to replace it?

[SAMINUS]

More information would be nice.

[Colino]

I feel like Yoshi is betraying his own words with those whole leve nerf.

Why not just delay until there's alternative content? I mean, he specifically came out and said that he KNOWS SP WILL BE BAD and he's still gonna do it.

Whatever happened to "Change for the sake of change isn't the way to go?". All this really looks like change for the sake of change, because it's all so completely unnecessary right now!

[Vackashken]

Building the game around the leve system ruined the game. I'm glad to see it go.

So meh.

[TirionCrey]

Okay, I will post this not directed to you Darkstar, but to everyone in general who is "worried" about this whole thing.

First: No matter how much SP will be reduced for linking and the mobs in general...to even assume it could be less SP than running the leve solo is just stupid. Sorry...with the outmost respect, you are stupid. I think SE is aware of giving solo players more SP than running a leve as a group is just stupid, so they won't do it, that much I don't have to speculate, that much should be fact using common sense.

Second: Bonus for the completion of the leve is based on "performance". Meaning your difficulty setting, your competion time and maybe more factors will add to that bonus. A player doing a leve solo might be able to kill the mobs without much hassle, if they are up to 5-6 ranks above him. Well your SP will be uncapped for those mobs for 4 ranks already...so the completion bonus must be pretty low. A group of people can kill SP capped mobs up to 12-15 ranks above them(even though the mob being more than 10 ranks above you won't give more SP for killing), but it will influence your bonus on completion. So that alone ensures that solo players won't get more SP than a group of people doing the same leve.

Third: Does anybody really believe Guild marks being restricted to cities where the guild is in will change ANYTHING about the habit how people do leves? First, most people give a crap about guild marks on battle classes anyway...second...if they really care about guild marks, they can run some leves solo that reward guild marks which brings me to fourth...

Fourth: Players will ALWAYS do what's considered the best/fastest way of grinding. All other factors are gonna be ignored. If doing leves as a whole is not gonna be the fastest way of grinding anymore after the patch, everyone will switch to the new fastest way of grinding. One fact is, doing leves solo will never be more worthwhile than doing them as a group, cause it makes no sense and I trust SE that much to know that.

If leves will not be the fastest way of grinding anymore but stuff like raptor grinds will be the new way of grinding, lpayers will find camps all around the world to party and grind on...just like it was at the beginning of the game on Crab/Eft/Hog/Raptor grinds.

And honestly...I would prefer party play getting away from leves and more to actual grinding in the outskirts of Eorzea...leves should be a way for people who don't have much time on their hand to still get some progress(which was the initial reason for them) and not the center of everything and I'm glad they will get rid of leves being the center for everything. If leves still gonna be the best way to grind, I can live with that but at least the reduced SP for groups will make grinding on regular mobs around the world more viable.

[Demimatrix]

and I trust SE that much to know that.

Did u not learn anything from FFXI? Trust SE? Seriously?

[Jennestia]

Did u not learn anything from FFXI? Trust SE? Seriously?

Yep -- We all know FFXI ended in 2004.

[Holland]

^

It has been hard trying to explain similar matters on Leves to these guys on both threads. But no, "There are no ways to rank up anymore" We will be stuck at any rank we are at when the patch is implemented.

[Demimatrix]

Quiting for a while > More Viable.

Derp'd SE

[Alise]

So far, nobody mention field grinding, I think it is pretty good SP. Of course not as quick as leves-full-link, but it can be done for longer period and it is at least as good as double link leve.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

So far, nobody mention field grinding, I think it is pretty good SP. Of course not as quick as leves-full-link, but it can be done for longer period and it is at least as good as double link leve.

At least once every other page someone has mentioned field grinding. Not the point though. Some players want to know what their main focus for party progression is. Some people have gone off track with this a little bit in assuming that others think they cannot rank without a ridiculously fast system in place.

If guildleves are solo centered. What are your plans for party centered progression? Straight from the horses mouth is the best way to quash this debate.