So.. ruining leves with no content to replace it?

[darkstarpoet1]

At first everyone was saying get rid of the leves now when they decide to change we cry. I really don't know what the people want from this game anymore...

the problem is the people that liked them did not come in here to say anything. people that are happy with certain things do not come in and cry and complain about them. now it is being taken away the people that were doing the weird thing like actually playing the game are giving their reaction to removing the only thing that people come into the game looking forward to.

this is the problem with listening too much to the forums in general. if they want to take ideas off it and put it in overall players polls that people actually signed in and voted on then i can bet the results will show completely different results.

they did a great job originally with the players poll right after yoshi first took over. they have went away from this method because he seen the changes he wanted to make were not what the majority voted for so he went the tanaka route and is doing what he wants instead of listening to the players.

[TirionCrey]

the problem is the people that liked them did not come in here to say anything. people that are happy with certain things do not come in and cry and complain about them. now it is being taken away the people that were doing the weird thing like actually playing the game are giving their reaction to removing the only thing that people come into the game looking forward to.

this is the problem with listening too much to the forums in general. if they want to take ideas off it and put it in overall players polls that people actually signed in and voted on then i can bet the results will show completely different results.

they did a great job originally with the players poll right after yoshi first took over. they have went away from this method because he seen the changes he wanted to make were not what the majority voted for so he went the tanaka route and is doing what he wants instead of listening to the players.

And you think you, as one of the most complaining players about pretty much EVERY aspect of the game, are a valid resource of what should be changed or kept in the game?

The only thing you preach is the armageddon on each and every patch, before it even happened.

I can only repeat myself here. People will ALWAYS do what's currently the best SP/H. If it's not gonna be leves anymore after the patch, they will find equal grinding spots to raptors, for ALL rank ranges. If leves are still gonna be more SP/H than grinding on mobs, people will go on grinding through leves and if neccesarry will go on failing them.

All I can say is, grinding a class through leves is WAY TOO FAST atm. It almost seems like people can't even remember how all of this started and back then people never complained about SP at all! Before the November SP Patch, people grinded on mobs with 15man PTs trying to get hit as much as possible, so casters can get their SP and fighting mobs so way above your rank, so 12 DDs can hit it long enough to get SP before it dies.

After the November Patch the whole leve link/fail thing was already viable. Most people didn't know about it though so it was a thing limited to the players who actually found out about it themselves. I have been in such a group that tested such stuff and we have been a static of 4. Back in early december you know what a 4way linked Leve WITH Aspect gave us SP wise? Freaking 300SP per mob AND WE WERE HAPPY!

The only reason why people complain about this whole leve stuff is, cause they either never experienced the "old times" where people still were happy about the SP, even if it was only 10k SP/h, or they are just lazy asses who want to get to 50 ASAP...

Sorry I remember the times before this whole leve link/fail thing startedand the times right after the leve link/fail was possible and gave HALF the SP than it does right now...and right now I'd prefer the slower grind WAY more than grinding through failed leves in 4 weeks and ding 50.

[darkstarpoet1]

And you think you, as one of the most complaining players about pretty much EVERY aspect of the game, are a valid resource of what should be changed or kept in the game?

The only thing you preach is the armageddon on each and every patch, before it even happened.

I can only repeat myself here. People will ALWAYS do what's currently the best SP/H. If it's not gonna be leves anymore after the patch, they will find equal grinding spots to raptors, for ALL rank ranges. If leves are still gonna be more SP/H than grinding on mobs, people will go on grinding through leves and if neccesarry will go on failing them.

All I can say is, grinding a class through leves is WAY TOO FAST atm. It almost seems like people can't even remember how all of this started and back then people never complained about SP at all! Before the November SP Patch, people grinded on mobs with 15man PTs trying to get hit as much as possible, so casters can get their SP and fighting mobs so way above your rank, so 12 DDs can hit it long enough to get SP before it dies.

After the November Patch the whole leve link/fail thing was already viable. Most people didn't know about it though so it was a thing limited to the players who actually found out about it themselves. I have been in such a group that tested such stuff and we have been a static of 4. Back in early december you know what a 4way linked Leve WITH Aspect gave us SP wise? Freaking 300SP per mob AND WE WERE HAPPY!

The only reason why people complain about this whole leve stuff is, cause they either never experienced the "old times" where people still were happy about the SP, even if it was only 10k SP/h, or they are just lazy asses who want to get to 50 ASAP...

Sorry I remember the times before this whole leve link/fail thing startedand the times right after the leve link/fail was possible and gave HALF the SP than it does right now...and right now I'd prefer the slower grind WAY more than grinding through failed leves in 4 weeks and ding 50.

undoubtedly i am. it seems i am unhappy with the game as well as the vast majority that have already left the game. the truth is only a select few people play the game at this point. they play for one of 2 reasons. 1 they like super easy hello kitty games or 2 they are leveling classes hoping the game will be made better. the vast majority have already left so i'd guess the unhappy ones on here are better aligned with what the majority that got this game wanted.

yes, i have talked about how bad the patches from this upcoming patch would be. i stand by it. the more notes and letters from the developer that are released more of the people that have supported the changes are moving towards the same direction also. i've seen many people that religiously talked up these changes are now getting nervous because of the information that has came out about them.

you think you are the only one that did crab parties? yeah they were so much fun......beat on a mob over and over and get 60sp and have a mage max proc every mob we fought. btw 300 sp would be fine with me. i am not saying the reducing sp gains is bad, but by moving this content to solo catered content it just removes about the only thing people enjoyed doing without replacing it. yes, they said they will in the future, but i have fears about how many will still be here to see them.

[TirionCrey]

undoubtedly i am. it seems i am unhappy with the game as well as the vast majority that have already left the game. the truth is only a select few people play the game at this point. they play for one of 2 reasons. 1 they like super easy hello kitty games or 2 they are leveling classes hoping the game will be made better. the vast majority have already left so i'd guess the unhappy ones on here are better aligned with what the majority that got this game wanted.

yes, i have talked about how bad the patches from this upcoming patch would be. i stand by it. the more notes and letters from the developer that are released more of the people that have supported the changes are moving towards the same direction also. i've seen many people that religiously talked up these changes are now getting nervous because of the information that has came out about them.

you think you are the only one that did crab parties? yeah they were so much fun......beat on a mob over and over and get 60sp and have a mage max proc every mob we fought. btw 300 sp would be fine with me. i am not saying the reducing sp gains is bad, but by moving this content to solo catered content it just removes about the only thing people enjoyed doing without replacing it. yes, they said they will in the future, but i have fears about how many will still be here to see them.

You're a hyprocrite. You say 300 SP would be fine for you, but at the same time you say moving leves towards catering solo players is "taking away the only thing people enjoy".

Well if you'd really enjoy it that much, what will keep you from doing it EVEN with getting less SP? You are just argueing about stuff when the only and sole reason you don't want this to happen is getting reduced SP...you are obviously NOT fine with getting 300 SP, cause otherwise you could give a ***about this change. You are contradicting yourself in ***...getting 300 SP(which is around 50% of what we get now) is fine, but reducing the SP in leves is taking away content without replacing it for something else? Get your arguments straight and then argue with valid reasons...

I will repeat myself. You say you're fine with getting reduced SP and that's ALL they are gonna change about Leves...but this sucks? You are just...

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I think people are getting ahead of themselves. This u[pcoming patch is bigger then we had so far. And the main focus of said patch is the fixing of the battle system. While in the next patch doing some refining.

We already got people complaining their ARCHERS will be close ragnged fist users.

My advice is stop thinking ahead in the most negative view and just wait.

Also a group never needed the same leves to begin with. People just assumed if they didn't have the same leves that it was... what was the term... leeching. When everyone got rewared no matter who leve it was with some gil etc. So you ruined leves yourselves thinking with that elitistidm mindset.

I like the changes, and yes they are going to add wait of parting with these leve changes. It may not be in this patch due to the battle reform is the main portion. Personally who cares...
no one talks in this game, i mainly grinded my gathering classes till i got tired of the silance. I'm playing WoW just to talk to ppl. Oh and no one bunny hops.

[Petori]

Also a group never needed the same leves to begin with. People just assumed if they didn't have the same leves that it was... what was the term... leeching. When everyone got rewared no matter who leve it was with some gil etc. So you ruined leves yourselves thinking with that elitistidm mindset.

Have you ever linked? Because it sure sounds like you haven't.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Have you ever linked? Because it sure sounds like you haven't.

no one talks.. nor do I care about linking you guys complain about leveling to fast aswell. I do not care for leveling fast just havung fun. And a silent mmo is NOT my idea of fun.
No i haven't linked, but i do not care for the "bonuses" that happened. Since again people complain about leveling to fast

Linking was a CHOICE, people FORCED it much like cookie cutting in ffxi. You didn't nor do have to link if you do not wish to. And it also made it so people can do levels all day instead of just 8.

Less is more at times. Like in ffxi you fight more ep modb for less exp per kill but got more exp from it in less time then killing Dc mobs worth more exp because you kill less in that time. Going on the OLD exp about 30 exp a kill killing about 150 in 30 min. (with resting) vs 50 exp off 90 mobs in 30 min. Same mobs just 1 set is ep next set is dc. It takes less time to kill an ep and can kill more before resting.

[Petori]

no one talks.. nor do I care about linking you guys complain about leveling to fast aswell. I do not care for leveling fast just havung fun. And a silent mmo is NOT my idea of fun.

I don't care if no-one talks when you play. Go get a LS or something, no need to cry about it here.

Linking was a CHOICE, people FORCED it much like cookie cutting in ffxi. You didn't nor do have to link if you do not wish to. And it also made it so people can do levels all day instead of just 8.

@bolded: You talking about linking? If so, you have no idea because it's the opposite what you say.

Leve party without linking: 8x leve a, 8x leve b, 8x leve c = 24 leves

Leve party with linking: 2x full link a, 2x full link b, 2x full link c = 6 leves

[Misha]

I don't care if no-one talks when you play. Go get a LS or something, no need to cry about it here.



@bolded: You talking about linking? If so, you have no idea because it's the opposite what you say.

Leve party without linking: 8x leve a, 8x leve b, 8x leve c = 24 leves

Leve party with linking: 2x full link a, 2x full link b, 2x full link c = 6 leves

Bit defensive just because someone stated a fact lmao If your that insecure stop being such a loner and talk to the community more in game. MMO's are known for communication, not all of us want to solo and keep to ourselves while remaining reliant on our LS's and being rude to the outside community. It's clear you misunderstood the other comment too, read posts fully otherwise makes you look like even more of an *** .

If only 14's community was half of what 11's was o.O...

[Mug]

I personally think they're taking the right direction, but only if they're giving us some other party-driven content instead. I think people are afraid that they will have nothing to do now, more so than they're worried about getting less SP.