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    Arcanist Lv 50

    Two cross-class abilities that would invariably benefit WAR quality of life

    Shoulder tackle. I know this skill would make tomahawk pretty useless for a number of situations but I feel like shoulder tackle fits the warrior playstyle so well that it not being cross-class is a huge letdown.

    Invigorate. Yes, I know WARs don't share lancer abilities and we should structure play around conservation of TP (not to mention this gives peon more use) BUT I'm already getting to the point on fights like T4 that I'm fighting to take it easy on my TP use and if Square chooses to implement longer marathon-like battles, WAR and WHM are going to be the first ones running on fumes.
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    Fayhd Apollo
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    Marauder Lv 70
    I would love to cross class with Lancer... I find that it would be such a good match with WAR compared to PUG (even in style since they both use 2 hand weapons).
    if that would be the case, I'd want to be able to choose between:
    - Invigorate, obviously for OT situation where we focus on DPS
    - Keen flurry, would make so much sense for WAR to have a buff that increased parry rates
    - Feint, applying a slow debuff on mob? good for tanks
    - Life Surge, a perfect combo with IB to get more self heals
    - Blood for Blood, sacrificing mitigation for damage fit my image of WAR pretty well.

    Though B4B might be too much, I feel these would be great fits without breaking the current balance.
    Then, give PLD to cross class with PUG so they too get a slight improvements... Cuz cross-classing WAR sucks for them really...
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    Lemon Nate
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    Shoulder Tackle: wut? What kind of warriors do you play? Also it's a monk's JOB abilities so it makes no sense.
    Invigorate: Overpower got an enmity increase so you don't have to spam it as much now. As an AOE, it does mediocre damage anyway. Warrior's TP isn't that bad to manage.

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    Anienai Talenca
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    Zalera
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    Wow's war class has charge.
    Swtor's jugg/guardian use a force leap.

    I could see it working for Warrior.
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    Fayhd Apollo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemon8or View Post
    Warrior's TP isn't that bad to manage.
    It's not so much of an issue but there are certain fights where as OT I'd run out of tp if I don't slow down a bit.
    In T5, I can out of TP by the time I reach divebombs if I go all out.

    @OP: I was wondering why we'd want Shoulder Tackle but it's true that if would make sense as a way to keep out Wrath up just like monk with Greased Lightning...
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    Last edited by Shinkyo; 03-14-2014 at 06:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkyo View Post
    @OP: I was wondering why we'd want Shoulder Tackle but it's true that if would make sense as a way to keep out Wrath up just like monk with Greased Lightning...
    Greased Lightning has a 12 seconds duration and at least 6-7 seconds to get through the combos to get it back. Wrath has 30 seconds duration and only takes at most 5 seconds to get it refresh (Wrath, not Infuriated). Totally make sense.... Anyway, it's a JOB ability. Warrior will never be able to cross-CLASS it.
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    Last edited by Lemon8or; 03-14-2014 at 06:33 AM.

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    Cearka Larue
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    yeah I kinda wish war's tertiary was lancer and not pug. the Pug abilities don't help all that much.
    also, I can't help but wonder why rampart and flight or fight isn't cross class.
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    Delenia Forcentis
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by cearka View Post
    also, I can't help but wonder why rampart and flight or fight isn't cross class.
    Warrior with Unchained, Berserk, Fight or Flight, Internal Release?

    Deeps level damage lol.
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    Hali Divine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkyo View Post
    - Invigorate, obviously for OT situation where we focus on DPS
    - Keen flurry, would make so much sense for WAR to have a buff that increased parry rates
    - Feint, applying a slow debuff on mob? good for tanks
    - Life Surge, a perfect combo with IB to get more self heals
    - Blood for Blood, sacrificing mitigation for damage fit my image of WAR pretty well.
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    Invigorate would give a huge advantage to War over a Paladin by being able to replenish TP. Yes Paladin can replenish mana for flash but flash doesn't equal overpower in threat.

    Keen Flurry instead of Feather foot - yes makes more sense

    Feint doesn't apply to bosses I don't believe

    Life Surge and IB would have been massively OP before the 2.1 changes. Considering the mitigation change, LS crit+ healing combo IMO still would be OP

    B4B - definitely added for War DPS but tanking might get you killed because a healer might just say f that lol. Marauder you still have it though.
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    Last edited by Nicodareus; 03-15-2014 at 05:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodareus View Post
    Considering the mitigation change, LS crit+ healing combo IMO still would be OP
    You'd be trading Internal Release for Life surge plus with a 90s cooldown you'd only be able to do it every 4 IB for an extra 400 hp which is what second wind would do (actually, second wind would be better since you can crit).

    Edit: my bad, it'd add much more since I forgot that LS gives full damage as self heals (up to 10% of HP)... you'd get 700hp from IB alone on crit + another 700hp from LS and an extra 150hp with bloodbath. You'd almost revert to 2.0 IB, I love it
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    Last edited by Shinkyo; 03-15-2014 at 02:28 AM.

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