Two cross-class abilities that would invariably benefit WAR quality of life

[Lemon8or]

@OP: I was wondering why we'd want Shoulder Tackle but it's true that if would make sense as a way to keep out Wrath up just like monk with Greased Lightning...

Greased Lightning has a 12 seconds duration and at least 6-7 seconds to get through the combos to get it back. Wrath has 30 seconds duration and only takes at most 5 seconds to get it refresh (Wrath, not Infuriated). Totally make sense.... Anyway, it's a JOB ability. Warrior will never be able to cross-CLASS it.

[cearka]

yeah I kinda wish war's tertiary was lancer and not pug. the Pug abilities don't help all that much.
also, I can't help but wonder why rampart and flight or fight isn't cross class.

[juniglee]

also, I can't help but wonder why rampart and flight or fight isn't cross class.

Warrior with Unchained, Berserk, Fight or Flight, Internal Release?

Deeps level damage lol.

[Marxam]

A good warrior QoL is to have mantra at 20% as a cross over skill and for monks make it a -30 sec reduction as their class trait (ie. 90 sec gcd but 120 sec gcd for cross-class). Heck I'll even take 10% because most of the time monks don't use this skill and its super effective for a tank who can provide a heal buff for himself and their parity.

[Lemon8or]

A good warrior QoL is to have mantra at 20% as a cross over skill and for monks make it a -30 sec reduction as their class trait (ie. 90 sec gcd but 120 sec gcd for cross-class). Heck I'll even take 10% because most of the time monks don't use this skill and its super effective for a tank who can provide a heal buff for himself and their parity.

Problem with this is not just warrior can cross-class mantra. Dragoons and Bards can too. When you make this change, there will be less reasons to bring Monk at all besides for damage. Mantra isn't supposed to be used whenever it's available. A good monk will know when to pop his Mantra that can help either the tank or the party or both. Titan EX for example, monk can pop it between the main tank and the group so they all have the bonus healing.

[Mcshiggs]

Shoulder tackle. I know this skill would make tomahawk pretty useless for a number of situations but I feel like shoulder tackle fits the warrior playstyle so well that it not being cross-class is a huge letdown.

Invigorate. Yes, I know WARs don't share lancer abilities and we should structure play around conservation of TP (not to mention this gives peon more use) BUT I'm already getting to the point on fights like T4 that I'm fighting to take it easy on my TP use and if Square chooses to implement longer marathon-like battles, WAR and WHM are going to be the first ones running on fumes.

Whatever dps job that branches from marauder in the future will most likely get lancer as a class for cross class skills, the reasoning giving them pugilist I believe is that it gives a couple different options you can toss around, and remember that warrior is a tank job, not dps, first for lower levels you get a self heal with second wind, it sucks later on, you can make it a bit better if you do things like berserk and mantra first, but that is a second skill slot needed to make it decent, so I look at it as mainly for leveling. Second, warrior has no real reactive skills, giving them featherfoot+haymaker gives them a bit of a defensive cooldown that adds a reactive debuff skill, so you can get a little more than just chaining combos if you want. Warrior has a huge advantage over paladin when it comes to aoe threat/damage, and the tradeoff is that it makes you think about it to manage your TP for things like T4, I know I only want to have to overpower maybe 2 or 3 for the center drops, that way I have more than enough TP to get through the next couple phases until the next center drop, I know I can do more for more damage, but my group has a black mage there for that, so I don't have to worry about topping damage, just make sure the black mage stays alive. People see the big axe and just want damage, but it actually makes sense to me how they did things if you just remember that warrior is a tank, there will come a time when they get a dps job, and then I imagine nerfs will be pretty frequent, because the potential is there for huge damage while still being able to survive almost like a tank. The cross class skills do give you a couple type of style options if you play around with them, you don't always have to go by someone's guide telling you what is the best, because different situations can call for different needs, that's why we can swap those skills as we see fit. And yeah, shoulder tackle, that is a job ability, we have cross class, not cross job, that would be like giving scholar Benediction or Holy.

[bokchoykn]

Invigorate. Yes, I know WARs don't share lancer abilities and we should structure play around conservation of TP (not to mention this gives peon more use) BUT I'm already getting to the point on fights like T4 that I'm fighting to take it easy on my TP use and if Square chooses to implement longer marathon-like battles, WAR and WHM are going to be the first ones running on fumes.

Warrior is meant to run out of TP and have to conserve it to some extent. Physical DPS consumes TP at a higher rate than tanks but have access to Invigorate. Warrior and Paladin consume TP at a lower rate.

Overpower is a very strong ability that is meant to be restricted by its high TP cost. You're supposed to think twice about your TP before using it. The fact that you've run out of TP means that you've overused it.

In Turn 4, what exactly are you doing to run out of TP?

Being able to hit 4+ mobs with Overpower doesn't necessarily mean that you should use it. Remember: You don't need to build as much enmity as you possibly can. You only need to generate enough aggro to stay above the DPs.

You should always enter the second phase with full TP (or at least 900). If you have less than that, you've overexerted yourself on the opening pull, probably too much Overpower.

Cross-class Flash on Turn 4. It helps you conserve TP on Phases 1 and 4, while still generating AoE aggro. Mix Flash in with Overpower and Steel Cyclone along with your single-target weapon skills. Avoid using it versus Knights. It's unnecessary (single-target is better) and it reflects damage onto you.