Community in this game is unbelievable.

[Amberion]

Well, to me, the people in XI were more mature and willing to cooperate and help each other. There wasn't much you could accomplish solo. So people were respectful to each other. In my experience, if someone was struggling or wasn't quite understanding a job or mechanic, people would help out politely (usually in tells to not embarrass). There was just a completely different attitude.

Of course there were some mean and angry people too, but that was rare in my experience. Maybe people also had more patience too, since so much content required patience.

I find this true also. Most people that got kicked and raged at, where people who didn't come prepared for a party. And I'm talking about 25-30+ here.

They would show up with no/wrong or under-leveled subjob. Bad gear, no food and things like that.

[Bizniztyme]

I compare it to visiting New York City and then visiting Portland, Oregon. People are generally much different between the two, and you can easily make a general statement about them based on your impression.

People are different in every single city or state. You can make a general statement basically about any place you visit based on your experience, it doesnt make it true for someone else and that's what Sunarie is trying to convey to you.

[Jinrya-Geki]

The few times I do duty finder, I like to tell people jokes. People who like to have fun usually go with it, then there are the ones who get bothered by it cause I am not being "serious". Might as well leave the party, cause I am making it fun for me otherwise it's like CT, boring.

I only did it like 4 times all together and every time, no one jokes or likes to have fun. It's just go kill boss and do it quietly. Honestly I wish these people would leave the game. Every fight in this game, except Twin is easy. Why are you taking it seriously?

[Bizniztyme]

The few times I do duty finder, I like to tell people jokes. People who like to have fun usually go with it, then there are the ones who get bothered by it cause I am not being "serious". Might as well leave the party, cause I am making it fun for me otherwise it's like CT, boring.

I only did it like 4 times all together and every time, no one jokes or likes to have fun. It's just go kill boss and do it quietly. Honestly I wish these people would leave the game. Every fight in this game, except Twin is easy. Why are you taking it seriously?

I feel you, dont know why people are so seriuos in these games. I'm normally really quiet in groups because it's my nature but I enjoy it when groups interact and have fun and do stuff against the norm.

[Sunarie]

People are different in every single city or state. You can make a general statement basically about any place you visit based on your experience, it doesnt make it true for someone else and that's what Sunarie is trying to convey to you.

This exactly.

@Alipoprocks You are also, once again, only using your own judgement and dismissing those that disagree. Even in your own example. You can't take a handful of the population you met while living in an area and use that to define what the area actually is... and you'd almost 100% be wrong if you're using that experience to judge the rest of the people in that state. Countries, States, Counties, and Towns can all be -vastly- different from each other. I assure you that my next door neighbor is vastly different from myself. That's where stereotypes come from that aren't right at all. There are some things that can be backed up by facts.. say statistically one area has a higher crime rate than another area, you could say living there was more dangerous. You couldn't assume most the people living in that area were criminals though, that'd likely be incorrect.

You also don't have any facts, or statistics, to back up any claim that one community is better than others. You can't say "well in FFXI only x% of all the players were kicked from parties while in FFXIV y% get kicked".. that survey has never been done. What you're doing is talking to a mostly like-minded set of people (those who like FF and liked FFXI) about your experiences, which are no doubt going to be similar. So of course you're going to find a lot of people to agree with you.. just like in my circle of friends, who mostly didn't like FFXI, our experiences are similar. That -still- doesn't make either one correct.

[Alipoprocks]

First of all, I didn't dismiss anyone or anything. I also don't need statistics to back up a subjective opinion or impression. I am not stating a fact and never said I was.

If you can't notice different attitudes from different cultures and areas, then that is being ignorant. I was mainly stating that I noticed a different attitude. I know I am not the only one.

[Delorean]

People can whine about the community of this game as much as they want, but for me, most of you have been a lot more fun to play with and competent as a whole playerbase compared to World of Warcraft's community. Maybe that isn't a great unit of measurement. Maybe that isn't good enough for you and you just want more, but I don't feel that, personally, I could ask that many people for much more.

What people say on the internet to make you angry isn't really important. I've been called a racist, a misogynist, a homophobe, a reprehensible manchild and etc. With some people, it's just like.... Whatever people say I am, that's what I'm not.

Always try your best to serve your groups well and keep that interest close to heart, and you should be able to handle pretty much any problem you will have in an MMO with ease.

[DMooseJ]

Every single MMO I've ever been in has a group of people repeatedly talking about how bad the community is or how it was so much better x years earlier. Every single one. What makes the OP's argument in any way objectively true?

The plural of anecdote is not data.

[Duelle]

OP if this was a Final Fantasy game, it would have a community full of doodyheads that expect you to always meet their standards or ragequit like XI did

Fixed.....

[Sunarie]

First of all, I didn't dismiss anyone or anything. I also don't need statistics to back up a subjective opinion or impression. I am not stating a fact and never said I was.

If you can't notice different attitudes from different cultures and areas, then that is being ignorant. I was mainly stating that I noticed a different attitude. I know I am not the only one.

I have to disagree still. I would say it's more ignorant to try and classify an entire area into one culture or attitude rather than recognizing your experiences are yours alone, and people you interact with don't necessarily represent all of any group they may be a part of. Historically, lots of hate has actually been born out of such generalizations.

I say you're dismissing because you answered someone's negative experience with an excuse (they didn't join a LS/FC, placing blame on them and not the community, which is a tactic many use to invalidate someone else's experience and try to prove a point). Which is a way of dismissing it because it doesn't fit your own. The whole no facts thing may not have been at you specifically (I probably confused you with Synapse looking back, actually).. but I did mean it towards any folks that make the definitive statement of "FFXI's community was better because I personally didn't experience any, or experienced very little, negative".. that's a definitive statement, not an opinion, and it's backed by anecdotal evidence, which isn't really evidence at all, regardless of how many of your friends agree with you. If you didn't make such a statement, then I'm sorry that bit was aimed at you incorrectly.