Community in this game is unbelievable.

[Doo]

I suppose if you never touched end game then you might be able to avoid some of it, that's true - However, I'm saying the opportunities that game had to breed negative encounters compared to this one were much higher.

Not true at all. Try going into df/pf content and not know rotations, phases, dodge, etc and you'll get treated terribly. This games end game content is far worst than FFXI. You simply can't do any content outside of your inner circle in this game without having a high probability of being raged at or the party disbands in a try or two.

[FritoBandito]

This was never about whether or not the guy had a point. It's about his behavior, which is not justifiable just because his point was valid.

[Marleytiva]

there are requirements to dungeons that need them. it's that simple. he did nothing wrong and you criticize him because he doesn't meet your standards its that simple.

Would you say the same about a Warrior that walked into the extreme primals without provoke? Oh, I can meet minimum item level requirement for all of the primals. It's cool if I go Marauder, yeah? Who needs Provoke, Inner Beast, etc. I can keep going on and on. If someone gets upset because I can't be bothered to unlock a job, it's just people wanting me to meet their over the top standards, right? People expecting me to have basics for a role are just mean meanies.

Sorry for all the sarcasm, but I recognize that other peoples' time is just as important as mine. I make sure that I have all my basics covered before I do anything that could adversely effect my ability to help a group complete content. I don't understand how that mindset is selfish.

i don't see how a end game primal ex battle justifys being mad over something as small as entering a easy low lvl dungeon as mrd instead of war.

time is wasted no matter how over geared over prepared or quickly you do something because that's the point of a mmo in the end you did nothing but waste time, and no matter how you look at it if you believe time is all the matters unless you are in the best gear and have the perfect job set up you're wasting time because you can always do it better and faster.

Try reading a bit more carefully next time. It's not just about the time, it's about me wasting the time of 3-7 other people because I'm lazy. I meet the minimum requirements for those fights, right? According to you that's all that matters.

[Eriatarka12]

Not true at all. Try going into df/pf content and not know rotations, phases, dodge, etc and you'll get treated terribly. This games end game content is far worst than FFXI. You simply can't do any content outside of your inner circle in this game without having a high probability of being raged at or the party disbands in a try or two.

Guess I'm looking at it from an end game perspective of someone who mainly stayed within their LS. I don't ever join PF or DF groups, as I lead an FC and do everything internally. I was commenting on how I felt the community in FFXI was more toxic due to the fact that the game afforded players more opportunities to screw each other over. I don't really think of text arguments as toxic, but things like MPK, griefing and theft I would consider actually toxic.

[Musashidon]

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i don't see how a end game primal ex battle justifys being mad over something as small as entering a easy low lvl dungeon as mrd instead of war.

time is wasted no matter how over geared over prepared or quickly you do something because that's the point of a mmo in the end you did nothing but waste time, and no matter how you look at it if you believe time is all the matters unless you are in the best gear and have the perfect job set up you're wasting time because you can always do it better and faster.

[Doo]

Guess I'm looking at it from an end game perspective of someone who mainly stayed within their LS. I don't ever join PF or DF groups, as I lead an FC and do everything internally. I was commenting on how I felt the community in FFXI was more toxic due to the fact that the game afforded players more opportunities to screw each other over. I don't really think of text arguments as toxic, but things like MPK, griefing and theft I would consider actually toxic.

On my server there wasn't really much mpking going on. Competition does create some toxic behavior but since reputation was such a big deal players were more careful.

In FFXIV it's a different kind of toxicity. Since you don't really do much outside of your inner circle it won't be much of an issue but trust me it's extremely terrible. You hear horror stories on here about CT, PF, DF, etc everyday.

[XNihili]

Ok I'll bite.
Was the community in FFXI better or worse than FFXIV ? I can't really say.
The HNM community was hell of course. But the normal community was kinda elitist too. Do you remember the loldrg stigma ? When BLM was absolutely needed then not needed at all resulting in manaburn party ? What about Beastmaster ? They never got into a party. But thanks to no Duty Finder people didn't really go into an argument because those jobs never got invited. And people were mostly polite while being an ass
Though people had to be elitist because the party mechanics were more important and if you failed hard you would surely kill your group.

The beastmaster community was good though. A beastmaster would ask before going to a camp and would gladly party with another beastmaster. There were some unwritten laws shared by all beastmasters. Probably because they were rejected by everybody.

[Gamemako]

Expecting people to meet basic requirements when doing content isn't selfish.

Basic requirements? You hardly even use Defiance in Qarn anymore. Nothing hits hard enough to care, so you're better off just bashing without the damage reduction 90% of the time. You never need it, either; Terataur's pony is Doom, the golem doesn't hardly attack the tank at all, and the final guardian hits like a wet paper sack. I accidentally queued and completed Qarn as GLA once, and that is far worse than doing it as MRD because PLD gets bonus damage where WAR does not.

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One annoying player =/= bad community.

I also made a post about this problem in another dungeon. It's pretty well everywhere.

[ulti_19]

It's not the community. Honestly, this stuff happens, but mostly everyone can spot the douchebag being the douchebag right away, they are usually the ones who think they are pro and don't want anyone slowing them down, which is ironic since they are the ones who tend to also wipe most in fights. The nicer players are the ones who are good players from my experience. Either way from the op screenshot, just from being unpleasant I'd kick him and let him go find a g group of people who never make "stupid" choices.

[Roris]

Not like jobs really matter until around Stone Vigil anyway, as a healer you just heal everyone and that's it, should have at least given him a chance in the first place before going all healer dramaqueen.