Community in this game is unbelievable.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

not noting that FFXI community > FFXIV but I want to add the observation that:
to get to 75, you had to spend hours and hours with the same people beating the same mob over and over. mob variety was non-existent then. this alone weeded out people who lacked patience and an ability to maintain a decent personality. it also promoted conversations and actual talking in party. The amount of times I've had a convo go beyond "hi" "hello" then cut to last boss "thanks for pt" in a dungeon can probably be counted on one hand. Not saying that we should go back to this way of getting exp, just saying that the way it was structured promoted a more courteous player base.

also, I cannot imagine anyone in FFXIV looking for a "replacement" before leaving a primal group. This happened pretty regularly in FFXI when I played. Boot up the old player search, looking for LFP flag, send tell, tell location, wait for replacement, thank party, log.

as for healer charity/boredom in FFXI's dunes, I would submit that joining Titan HM DF/PF groups when you have no need for it is FFXIV's version of that.

[Eriatarka12]

As long as you stayed away from HNMs and Dynamis it was better. I played for seven years and never had to deal with the stuff you're talking about, aside from MPK. Which rarely happened to me intentionally. It was usually because someone was making a desperate bid to save their own skin and killed others in the process.

It was rampant in any end game scene regardless of the server. To avoid it you more or less needed to stay out of end game entirely. Most active end game LS did Dynamis, Sky, Sea, Limbus, HNM, and Einherjar. Not counting salvage because most people had statics for that.

I suppose if you never touched end game then you might be able to avoid some of it, that's true - However, I'm saying the opportunities that game had to breed negative encounters compared to this one were much higher.

[Marleytiva]

I guess you did not play the same i played from 2003-2010.

Even parties are respectful to each other, how often you see /bow in FFXIV? lmao

About as much as I did in XI. Part of that has to do with the fact that the group doesn't have to be in the same zone when you do a piece of content "lmao".

Please explain to me how after doing something together as a group, how do the parties disband? leave without telling anything?

Sit around and chat, just like we did in our Linkshells on Cait Sith. I even *gasp* meet new people and add them to my friends list when doing PUGs.

How about when parties waiting for others members to join? how often do people leave the pt without saying anything?

A bit more than in XI, but I don't see it as an issue. Most people will talk if others initiate a conversation.

Players don't even have the courtesy to say, "sry gonna join the other pt, this party is not gathering members fast enough" or even a simple "hey guys sry im dropping pt"

I saw people ditch xp parties all the time in XI. Did you ever do merit parties? It was normal for people to join, farm like mad, then leave.

I guess you like that kinda attitude, im sorry i dont, this community is sure as hell not like FFXI... where people drop pt without warning, fight for 5 mins and disband, rage quit like there is no tomorrow.

Because I'm not blind to the similarities between the communities, I condone bad behavior? wat.

Those are not rare occasions, sadly those are general way of doing things in FFXIV.

Absolutely NO COMMUNICATION.

Yeah, we definitely played a different game. I never bought the sunshine and unicorns expansion to XI I guess. XI had a great community sometimes, but your nostalgia is seriously blinding you from how that community actually was. I can tell you never participated any HNMs. The community is what you make of it. Engage in positive behavior and it will be reciprocated, but if you keep pining for a community that never existed (XI) you're going to leave disappointed.

[EmiliM]

Yay, another positive thread on this forum to keep people's spirits up.

To the OP, the healer was harassing the tank. The right thing to do in this situation is to report the healer using the in-game reporting tool. Anonymous shaming does nothing to help the game community.

[Cadmar]

I'm just going to come out and say it. Flame me if you will.

The guy should have finished the WAR quest line before entering that dungeon. Players should be at acceptable gear levels to tackle content. The healer was a DB about it but his point is still valid. I'm sick of people making excuses for laziness, and don't pretend it is anything else. If you are going to play an MMO there are certain things that go into it. You need to follow your quests, understand the mechanics of the game and your class, maybe do some research. Talk to your FC or join one if you don't have one. Know what you are doing before you do it.

This is not a single player game. It isn't all about you. Certain expectations come with playing with others. It is their time as well as yours and if you don't know what you're doing their enjoyment is lessened. There is nothing wrong with expecting people to perform at a certain level. If you can't handle that then maybe MMO's aren't for you

[Musashidon]

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funny thing is, you're right it isn't all about you but look at everything that happens? oh look i have to carry you, you have to be geared like me, you have to do it my way.

get my point? in the end you're just as selfish as the person you're criticizing.

[Marleytiva]

funny thing is, you're right it isn't all about you but look at everything that happens? oh look i have to carry you, you have to be geared like me, you have to do it my way.

get my point? in the end you're just as selfish as the person you're criticizing.

Expecting people to meet basic requirements when doing content isn't selfish. It has nothing to do with carrying or whatever it is you're talking about. That Marauder's time isn't worth more than the rest of that party that actually unlocked their jobs and took the time to have their basics taken care of before doing party content. You shouldn't treat people as badly as that healer did, but that Marauder isn't exempt from criticism.

[Sebazy]

It's like any walk of life, you meet full on raging assholes and you meet really nice genuine people. Sadly this carries over to MMOs as well, and as mentioned, mix in the anonymity that DF offers and you've got fewer measures to keep Gabe's law in check. On the flip side, I'm kind of with Cadmar on this one (Although I would be rather more diplomatic in how I approached it) but that's just down to my mentality. If I'm going to party with people I'd be horrified with myself if I delivered anything less than 110% and whilst I can't expect everyone else to play at that level all the time, I do appreciate people that put some effort into what they do.

[Musashidon]

Expecting people to meet basic requirements when doing content isn't selfish. It has nothing to do with carrying or whatever it is you're talking about. That Marauder's time isn't worth more than the rest of that party that actually unlocked their jobs and took the time to have their basics taken care of before doing party content. You shouldn't treat people as badly as that healer did, but that Marauder isn't exempt from criticism.

there are requirements to dungeons that need them. it's that simple. he did nothing wrong and you criticize him because he doesn't meet your standards its that simple.

[Phaydra]

I played FFXI as well and can count the number of d-bags I met in that game.Three and two of them were British. Just because some of you met the worst of the community doesn't mean all servers had a bad community. Same with FFXIV. I have only met a few I would call horrible people while playing FFXIV. I know they are out there, but I believe the true number is being over exaggerated by frustrated forum posters.