Another "they quit" thread

[Kosmos992k]

What do you want or expect people to do? All I see is you complaining in the same way.

I expect people to act like adults with civility and respect. I expect that of my free company members, and I see no reason I should not expect it from the community in general. It seems to me that improving on those two things alone would be very helpful to everyone.

[ufufu]

I expect people to act like adults with civility and respect. I expect that of my free company members, and I see no reason I should not expect it from the community in general. It seems to me that improving on those two things alone would be very helpful to everyone.

That's an oblique response. How about this: a problem you've identified is that new people don't have more experienced players to help them through content. Because of the weekly lockout on Coil, and because of the high learning curve in some parts of coil, expecting statics to split up and help sets of new people through is unrealistic. Why don't you encourage new people to form a party finder group to learn the fights, or point them to a guide, or suggest they watch one of the statics in your FC that streams?

[Kosmos992k]

That's an oblique response. How about this: a problem you've identified is that new people don't have more experienced players to help them through content. Because of the weekly lockout on Coil, and because of the high learning curve in some parts of coil, expecting statics to split up and help sets of new people through is unrealistic. Why don't you encourage new people to form a party finder group to learn the fights, or point them to a guide, or suggest they watch one of the statics in your FC that streams?

because a) we're a free company that is meant to mean we work together, not apart. b)not sure how it's unrealistic to rotate one slot in and out when a group can beat something regularly, c) why do we all have to watch someone else play the game before we try? Some people like to learn by doing, I do, and I hope that people in my company respect that with others as well.

I think the key thing here is that to me the concept of a Free company is about a community of friends working together to help each other, not a federation of 8 person cliques worried about little more than their own gear progression.

[ufufu]

because a) we're a free company that is meant to mean we work together, not apart.

Okay. But does that mean you need to control who and what does which raiding?

b)not sure how it's unrealistic to rotate one slot in and out when a group can beat something regularly,

Mostly referring to the fact that people are already unreceptive to your idea; telling them to rotate someone new in when a static is already a close-knit group is kind of insulting, in my opinion.

c) why do we all have to watch someone else play the game before we try? Some people like to learn by doing, I do, and I hope that people in my company respect that with others as well.

That was only one example, and not my first one. Hence the "encourage them to form a learning party finder group" idea. That's exactly what I did when I first started Coil and, wouldn't you know it, I've been clearing turn 5 for the past two months.

I think the key thing here is that to me the concept of a Free company is about a community of friends working together to help each other, not a federation of 8 person cliques worried about little more than their own gear progression.

I suppose we have different ideas of what an FC should be. Mine has 130+ active members, with 7 or 8 Coil statics running weekly, many of which have turn 5 on farm. (As an example, my static ran through turns 1-5 tonight in around an hour and a half.) I would see raiding as an optional activity that doesn't necessarily need to be governed by the FC leader; rather, while there should definitely be FC statics, there should be other activities organized that are open to all members. We recently did a full FC Crystal Tower run that was a lot of fun, we have a house, organize map parties, etc. Honestly, I'd even suggest helping organize a new static, or getting a few of the new people together and helping them put together their own PF group or something.

If you want to dictate who each group takes, then be my guest, but considering that your own members don't want that... I don't think it's a good idea.