Another "they quit" thread

[Kosmos992k]

If you have 1 successful group and have it on farm status you can cycle in the people who are having problems with it each week and take different people in your FC until you cleared it with everyone. The you go problem solved.

I agree with you, but sadly it doesn't always work. In my FC - which I lead - I suggested that the static groups that had cleared all the primals and were working towards the Coil could help others if they needed it. To be honest, the response that greeted me would have been more suitable if I'd simply hurled offensive insults at them instead of making a polite request. The cliques formed by the emphasis on learning via many retries with a static group are utterly antisocial and toxic to the health of a Free Company and the community in general. As it is, many smaller Free Companies are left with no viable groups to play with, unfortunately I believe that they may lose players and disband.

That's not happening with my company, I simply won't let it, and am stubborn enough to weather such a storm if it comes. However, not everyone is like that. The very heavy need to form static groups of 8 hurts Free Companies and Link Shells, they become fragmented. Turning to Duty Finder simply takes the people left out of the static groups and puts them with strangers, further distancing those players from their 'friends' in the statics. That too is pretty much a cancer to Free companies.

That said, I don't believe that the majority of players are leaving, though the player community is fragmenting. I would agree that we are losing some of the population of the 5% that have done everything and put turn 5 on farm, and if so, I honestly don't see it as a bad thing. I've never been treated in a more condescending manner than by players among that '5%'. If they got bored, it's their own fault for being so damned selfish and anti-social.

[Moriganna]

I've never been treated in a more condescending manner than by players among that '5%'. If they got bored, it's their own fault for being so damned selfish and anti-social.

Silly condescending reply. The "5%" players are bored due to a lack of content, not because of not "socialising". IF you want to setup a welfare anonymous in a MMO, that's perfectly fine. Just don't get upset when others don't have time/interest in your endeavours.

[Kosmos992k]

Silly condescending reply. The "5%" players are bored due to a lack of content, not because of not "socialising". IF you want to setup a welfare anonymous in a MMO, that's perfectly fine. Just don't get upset when others don't have time/interest in your endeavours.

You're such a nice person, has anyone ever told you that? So very nice, and helpful, and constructive. Awesome really. Just don't get upset when people that helped you level your character get pissed off when you won't turn around and pay it forward by helping them or others. Thanks awfully for just being you though.

[Kosmos992k]

If you have 1 successful group and have it on farm status you can cycle in the people who are having problems with it each week and take different people in your FC until you cleared it with everyone. The you go problem solved.

I suggested that to the first static in my FC, and got a very hostile response. Very hostile. Considering I am the FC leader, that was not an entirely positive thing. So tread carefully.

[Leigaon]

This has happened to most of the FC's I've been in. They start off great, then slowly people start to form their own personal groups. You move them away from that and things just go down hill.

To me it's been a clash between the two kinds of users. Again, this is the largest problem to me in this game and it's not the game design it's people.

[BotenAnna]

We're a couple of months from a large patch that will introduce the second-ever raid tier, of course people are getting a bit bored. WoW goes through the same cycles, as does every other popular MMO.

[HeroSamson]

Well its expected.

The game is story driven and people usually beat the story within a month, Dungeons don't offer anything but outdated gear not worth making into Materia or even selling, mytholigy and phil is all you need but once that is done nobody cares for the dungeons.

No reason to do them anymore once you unlock CT, No reason to do roulette because you can buy peacock ore and other items to sell on market from spamming CT for phil after you max everything get your gear peace then you are done for 5-6 days nothing else to do, some people just wanna play 1 job because their favorite job is not in the game so they go back to FFXI.

[Hyrist]

This is just echo-chambering for a non-issue.

Subscriptions are on the rise, not on the decline, as illustrated in interviews, that we've reached 1.8 million active subscriptions. Players leave and join the game continually, so it is expected that there are tales of people who have had their circle of friends quit.


The problem lies not within the game at this point. Revolving door subscriptions are the nature of the beast and FFXI was absolutely no stranger to them during their 10 year hay-day. Just about everyone needed to be on the soap box on how they or some group close to them quit, yet the subscription numbers were continually stable overall.

Here, we're still trending upwards at over triple FFXI's peak subscription numbers, and still record-setting above any Japanese-origin MMO ever made.

I do realize World of Warcraft and other modern gimmicky MMOs have inflated subscription number expectations for success in the eyes of the western audience, but let's be clear here - we have likely doubled SE's marker for success on this game. And we're still trending upwards.

[Derceto]

we've reached 1.8 million active subscriptions

The comedy never ends around here.

[Hyrist]

The comedy never ends around here.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-FFXIV-and-DQX

Your turn. Where's your evidence?

Marketing or not, if you cannot produce concrete evidence to dispute a claim, you need to hush up. SE has gone as far as to make an official statement that could be challenged legally. Are you willing to do the work to do the same, or are you just going to be a side-seat speculator who thinks that empty cynicism actually as worth in the world?