Why do you save your LB?

[JayCommon]

Healer LB wasn't put in the game for a guaranteed success. If you time it right, it can easily save runs, as you said you have done once. There isn't much more to ask for. No one is relying on it. You have to time it better to save runs, doing healer lb3 right before a big hit is obviously going to kill everyone, doing it between hits is going to save lives...

I appreciate you putting words in my mouth. Thanks for that.

I never once stated/implied that I timed my LBs wrong. If you are under the impression that I am Pulse of Lifing a group of players into Titan's p5 plumes or tumults, then you are sorely mistaken. A Healer LB is not needed for any fight at all....ever. You said "No one is relying on it", but apparently you didn't read any of the responses in this thread. Almost the entire first 2 pages is people advising to wait on using an LB in case a healer needs it. That is....quite a bit of people relying on it.

My real point is that if you need to use the Healer LB at all, then you are only temporarily saving lives, because more likely than not those people died because they aren't running the mechanics correctly. Do you think that after they have been resurrected they all automatically remember/learned how to dodge? Sure, occasionally someone dies because of lag, or things outside of their control (dog unplugs controller etc.) The majority of deaths happen because people refuse to learn, or are just terrible at the game. My timing for LB3 doesn't make one bit of difference if the players I resurrect willingly walk right back into plumes, or don't get the hell out of eruptions, or whatever mechanic they are failing at during the fight. And now, you are basically invincible after resurrection for 5-10 seconds or until you fire off an attack, so your statement is highly irrelevant to begin with.



Or maybe you just never PUG......

[Sunarie]

Almost the entire first 2 pages is people advising to wait on using an LB in case a healer needs it. That is....quite a bit of people relying on it.

Or maybe you just never PUG......

Snipped the response and all.. but.. I would disagree that saving it just in case (which is what the majority of people in the thread are saying) is the same as relying on it. Relying on it would mean you are counting on having to use it (and it actually working) every fight in order to clear the fight at all. That's a big difference from saving it on the off chance that something goes tits up and needs to be saved (say some person got distracted and ran the wrong direction for eruptions, or started running early and managed to kill everyone else). Then again, that last sentence is true when I'm doing end game primals, or raids. I don't PUG, so my experience is probably going to be different than yours. We've had a lot of success using a healer LB to recover when we've actually had to do it. Then again, we don't exactly use it often (I can't remember the last time), and when we have a lot of people die it's not because they don't know mechanics.

Our FC actually takes the approach that we don't want to rely on a LB period. Way back when we first started running Titan HM, we refused to use a DPS LB to help with the heart. We didn't want to have to rely on that to get past that phase, we wanted people to improve instead, so that there wasn't a bunch of auto-attacking prior to the heart phase, or that if we pushed him too early we weren't screwed. So I'd say that relying on a LB, whichever kind, we actually try and avoid. LBs for us are just helpful things that can happen in battle for the most part, not something we actually need (the exception probably being Ultima HM).

I also haven't done Ifrit EX. My group isn't focusing on the Primals right now, and as a tank, I really have no need to pug them.

[JayCommon]

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I guess it really just depends on your viewpoint. I totally agree with most of what you said. Every once in a while things can get crazy, with a static. I can count on one hand the amount of times I have ever needed to LB3 my static, and we have been playing together since launch. And it is truly rare for me, because I usually leave that up to the actual healers. I will ONLY LB3 if both healers are down. And my FC kind of unofficially takes the same stand as yours in regards to using it at all. The only thing we have ever designated a LB for, is in phase 6 of Turn 4. Any other time, it's like you said: It's nice to have, but not really needed.

Then we get into the PUG discussion which is entirely different. My FC has about 2-3 days a week where we all get to play together, due to work/life/family etc. I can play every day if I choose to, so I end up pugging content when my FC isn't on. I help people with trials with my LS, and try to teach mechanics to people who don't know them. But my experience in Trials with full PUG groups has never been good. In all my groups save for one, my LB3 has been used to resurrect a wiped group, that just wiped again.

Technically you're right about the difference between relying and saving 'just in case', but I would argue that if you go in with that mentality then it's already a fail. IMO, you should go into a new fight knowing that you will wipe, but trying to progressively get better at the mechanics. To me, it's like keeping a pair of crutches in your car's trunk when both of your legs work just fine. But, that's just my opinion.