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  1. #11
    Player
    Avatar de kukurumei
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    Mei Mei
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    Tanneur Lv 50
    Citation Envoyé par alhandra Voir le message
    we usually have our melees bust out the LB as soon as it hits 3 bar, unless we are saving it for something special. but for run of the mill tank and spanks its best to just get that dmg out asap. the longer the fight lasts the more of a strain it is on everyone, tanks, healers and dps included
    Opposite really. What kills groups is over reaching, especially LBs. It's not the longer battle that strains tanks and healers, it's the blanant disregard for teamwork, and breaks formations and throw the pt out of sync.

    A meteor in the middle of weights/landslide for instance will wipe your pt from the graphics spam.

    Damage LB is also dependent on the combine number of members. If you have 3 dead members, save LB. It will do such crappy damage anyway, it's not worth it. Tank LB is also the only instant LB to use counter to damage, etc.

    You screw everyone else if you just blow a LB however innocent. First and formemost know the content.
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  2. #12
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    M'kael Jin
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Élémentaliste Lv 3
    Using LB as soon as it's available is valid if you are absolutely certain your party will not mess up anywhere afterwards. There are times (albeit rare) where a tank or healer LB3 can recover the fight. For fights that have phases, you may want to LB to skip whichever phase is likely to give the most trouble.

    There is no such thing is always LB when available or always LB as a finisher. It's situational and will sometimes differ from fight to fight and from party to party.
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  3. #13
    Citation Envoyé par ForteXX Voir le message
    I've actually found few fights have an optimal LB time (since dungeons are most of this games content)
    Coil is the only dungeon where most groups don't go in overgeared. i haven't done a dungeon besides Coil or CT in a month so idk how that is most of this game's content.
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  4. #14
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    Odett Telos
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    Lamia
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    Chevalier noir Lv 80
    Suppose you are in Titan HM Phase 5 as a DRG. You have 3 members dead like you said, and you decide to hold off on the LB3. Realistically speaking, what are the odds that a healer will be able to ress all 3 dead members (who may have even been landslided). Are you going to hold off on a Limit Break that just got to Level 3 somehow hoping that healers will be able to resurrect people?

    I'm asking you this because I was faced with a similar case yesterday (half the group was dead), and I used my Lv 3 LB and it even allowed me to pull off a Lv 1 to finish off the fight. When it is strategically viable to use an LB then yes, you should use it then (Garuda, Ifrit, Ultima), but hesitating and overthinking a chance to pull off an LB more times than not just leaves it sitting there while it could have been used.
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  5. #15
    Player Avatar de Adrian74
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    I''''''''l I''''''''l
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    Phantom
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    Pêcheur Lv 90
    I think people likes to use LB at the end of the battles just because it is when It's starting to get difficult... When the bosses reach a certain HP they start changing phases, dealing more damage and such things, in the latest phase it begins to become too much dangerous to keep it like that, so.... It is better to finish it fast with a LB...

    While, initiating a fight, there's rarely a problem with holding the battle like that... Let's say, normally it's easier to reduce one boss's VIT bar to half, than from half to zero...Yes, maybe the same vit, But it's not the same try to reduce, for example, the first 30k HP of 60k HP than the latest 30k HP....

    That's why most people use LB at the end of the battles, because at start has no much use at all, only accelerates the boss's fury.

    (Of course, I'm a noob, and I'm just giving my opinion of what I have seen until now.. MAYBE in end-game there are bosses that are harder at the start of the battle instead of the end... Even if that would make no much sense for a MMORPG.)
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  6. #16
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    Odett Telos
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    Lamia
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    Chevalier noir Lv 80
    Citation Envoyé par Adrian74 Voir le message
    I think people likes to use LB at the end of the battles just because it is when It's starting to get difficult... When the bosses reach a certain HP they start changing phases, dealing more damage and such things, in the latest phase it begins to become too much dangerous to keep it like that, so.... It is better to finish it fast with a LB...

    While, initiating a fight, there's rarely a problem with holding the battle like that... Let's say, normally it's easier to reduce one boss's VIT bar to half, than from half to zero...Yes, maybe the same vit, But it's not the same try to reduce, for example, the first 30k HP of 60k HP than the latest 30k HP....

    That's why most people use LB at the end of the battles, because at start has no much use at all, only accelerates the boss's fury.
    When has your LB 3 finished charging up before the last phase (excluding Ifrit Nail Phase)?
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  7. #17
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    Mei Mei
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    Ultros
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    Tanneur Lv 50
    Citation Envoyé par Odett Voir le message
    Suppose you are in Titan HM Phase 5 as a DRG. You have 3 members dead like you said, and you decide to hold off on the LB3. Realistically speaking, what are the odds that a healer will be able to ress all 3 dead members (who may have even been landslided). Are you going to hold off on a Limit Break that just got to Level 3 somehow hoping that healers will be able to resurrect people?
    If you have 3 dead members in Titan, your LB will do so little damage, you might as well not use it and eat a landslide/weight out of carelessness.

    Attack LB is the combine raw stats of all members of the PT. with 3 dps dead, you LB is basically crappier then regular skills.
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  8. #18
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    Ikohyu Kaito
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Maraudeur Lv 100
    i safe it because as monk a LB3 will cause me to lose my GL stacks, the DPS loss due to that is higher than the gain so I safe it as finisher or use it before I build up my stacks like right when the boss appears again.
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  9. #19
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    Doctor Pepper
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    Cactuar
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    Samurai Lv 70
    In my opinion saving your LB is only worthwhile in certain situations where you want to get past a specific phase or avoid a specific mechanic. Other than that I don't see any reason not to use it right away, provided you have a good group who knows what they're doing and don't need the healer lb safety net. Really the only time I've seen that safety net work anyways was when dps dying was the problem, if your tanks and healers are dying then you might as well restart in most cases.
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  10. #20
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    Dracyn Navarre
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    It's better to use your lb strategically. Take the last boss in normal haukke manor. For the last 30% or so health she summons 6 adds...I think. A ranged dps's lb quickly eliminates them so the team can focus down the boss without putting a ton of stress on the healer and tank.
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