Why do you save your LB?

[kukurumei]

I don't always BLM LB.. but when I do, I kill the spiney and wipe the party

Please do ifrit as well. Nothing like meteor-ing the nail and pushing iffy to enrage and wipe everyone at the finish line!

[Galliano]

Either towards the end of a fight to bring the fight to and end quicker, to push through a certain phase or for a sticky situation such as half the pt being dead and a healer popping LB.

[JayCommon]

I love the responses to this thread....very hopeful...

As BRD, I have used the healer LB maybe 20-25 times to resurrect a wipe. Want to know what happens? People just wipe again. In theory, saving the LB3 for a healer LB is the right thing to do, however it doesn't work so well in practice. If you are with a group of people who don't know mechanics to a specific fight, chances are that Healer LB is not going to save your run. Out of all those times, only one time my healer LB actually saved the fight and we got a win. Ifrit HM. And only because we could down it with 1 tank, 1 heal and me as DPS, because everyone else wiped again. Anything scaled harder than Ifrit HM, your healer LB3 is not going to help save much.

On the other end of the spectrum, I have seen healers use the LB3 to resurrect the fallen DPS, and they just fall again. Kind of like PArcher said, Are you seeing a trend? Don't get me wrong. That ONE time I saved a wipe and we beat the trial because of my LB3, I felt like God. It was awesome. Noobs praising my existence and such. But honestly, no. Healer LB3 is not something worth 'saving'. Not in my experience, anyway.

The other points are valid, about saving a DPS LB until specific phases. All HM primals can easily be done without an LB, but it helps I guess. But otherwise I stick to OP's sentiments. There is no point to hold an LB, unless for certain phases of trials.

Tank LB3 for Ultima HM is the only support LB I've seen work with any type of repeated success. If you are relying on a healer LB to save your run, you probably should find a new group to run with.

[Odett]

If you have 3 dead members in Titan, your LB will do so little damage, you might as well not use it and eat a landslide/weight out of carelessness.

Attack LB is the combine raw stats of all members of the PT. with 3 dps dead, you LB is basically crappier then regular skills.

I'll definitely keep that in mind. Thanks!

[Odd]

I can't stand it when the melee dps try to wait for a 2 or 3 bar LB, when it's pretty obvious that by the time it's filled it will be overkill on the boss. I'll steal it from them if I'm on BLM or SMN so it's not wasted. There is ZERO need for 10k+ damage on a boss with only 3k left. Just because you like seeing the bigger number is only hurting the group. I agree with the OP. If the LB is full at the start of a fight, use it ASAP!

[Odett]

Woah woah, I never said I agreed with using a Lv 1 LB right off the bat either. In dungeons bosses where AoE LB is not preferable and the melee DPS is free to use it as they see fit, I find it better to wait and try to get a lv 2, and if you can't, then definitely use Lv. 1 as the last hit just for the sake of not wasting it.

[Mister-Wonderful]

I love the responses to this thread....very hopeful...As BRD, I have used the healer LB maybe 20-25 times to resurrect a wipe. Want to know what happens? People just wipe again. In theory, saving the LB3 for a healer LB is the right thing to do, however it doesn't work so well in practice. If you are with a group of people who don't know mechanics to a specific fight, chances are that Healer LB is not going to save your run. Out of all those times, only one time my healer LB actually saved the fight and we got a win. Ifrit HM. And only because we could down it with 1 tank, 1 heal and me as DPS, because everyone else wiped again. Anything scaled harder than Ifrit HM, your healer LB3 is not going to help save much.

On the other end of the spectrum, I have seen healers use the LB3 to resurrect the fallen DPS, and they just fall again. Kind of like PArcher said, Are you seeing a trend? Don't get me wrong. That ONE time I saved a wipe and we beat the trial because of my LB3, I felt like God. It was awesome. Noobs praising my existence and such. But honestly, no. Healer LB3 is not something worth 'saving'. Not in my experience, anyway.

The other points are valid, about saving a DPS LB until specific phases. All HM primals can easily be done without an LB, but it helps I guess. But otherwise I stick to OP's sentiments. There is no point to hold an LB, unless for certain phases of trials.

Tank LB3 for Ultima HM is the only support LB I've seen work with any type of repeated success. If you are relying on a healer LB to save your run, you probably should find a new group to run with.

Healer LB wasn't put in the game for a guaranteed success. If you time it right, it can easily save runs, as you said you have done once. There isn't much more to ask for. No one is relying on it. You have to time it better to save runs, doing healer lb3 right before a big hit is obviously going to kill everyone, doing it between hits is going to save lives...

I can't stand it when the melee dps try to wait for a 2 or 3 bar LB, when it's pretty obvious that by the time it's filled it will be overkill on the boss. I'll steal it from them if I'm on BLM or SMN so it's not wasted. There is ZERO need for 10k+ damage on a boss with only 3k left. Just because you like seeing the bigger number is only hurting the group. I agree with the OP. If the LB is full at the start of a fight, use it ASAP!

This is not a good idea, you are taking a weaker lb and using it, when you could have probably done nearly as much damage from just casting, and you never know when someone is going to take big hits or some deaths will occur, and you will get lb2/3 due to big chunks of lb filling or even need that healer lb (I know its rare, but it happens) burning it as soon as you want to as caster is about as careless as you can be, it does almost no benefit. This applies less to SMN as your dots are doing a bunch of damage while you are casting, but it still applies, and as blm you are only slowing yourself/the group down.

[BlueMage]

There are times its best to LB ASAP, and there are times its not. You can tell if you'll have time to build another bar after you LB.

Sometimes you don't trust your group, and saving it for the killing blow because you expect you might need healer LB3 - and yes, I've had groups wipe right after they used the DPS LB, where the healer LB would have saved the group, and I've had groups where we saved the DPS LB for the end, but ended up needing it for healer LB3 and winning.

If the LB itself is not going to be the killing blow, and if you know you won't fill it up to be able to LB a second time, then it doesn't matter when you LB. It doesn't matter if you brought the boss from 30% to 20%, or 20% to 10%. Either way, the LB is used just the same and you won't be getting off another.

People who are so gung-ho to LB that they get themselves killed to mechanics, and there's still 20% left on the boss, are just dumb. I've had idiots LB on the AK dragon too soon, and we end up with the bomb in the safe spot due to LB root and the boss with too much health still left to burn down.

I've also seen TONS of idiots burn their LB right as a boss teleports, thus wasting the LB.

[Lionhand]

In a CT run, try using LB at once without looking at the other groups chances of wiping (e.g Atomos) and you'll have your answer. I guess like what the others mentioned and in this case, timing it is safer than using it outright

[JayCommon]

Healer LB wasn't put in the game for a guaranteed success. If you time it right, it can easily save runs, as you said you have done once. There isn't much more to ask for. No one is relying on it. You have to time it better to save runs, doing healer lb3 right before a big hit is obviously going to kill everyone, doing it between hits is going to save lives...

I appreciate you putting words in my mouth. Thanks for that.

I never once stated/implied that I timed my LBs wrong. If you are under the impression that I am Pulse of Lifing a group of players into Titan's p5 plumes or tumults, then you are sorely mistaken. A Healer LB is not needed for any fight at all....ever. You said "No one is relying on it", but apparently you didn't read any of the responses in this thread. Almost the entire first 2 pages is people advising to wait on using an LB in case a healer needs it. That is....quite a bit of people relying on it.

My real point is that if you need to use the Healer LB at all, then you are only temporarily saving lives, because more likely than not those people died because they aren't running the mechanics correctly. Do you think that after they have been resurrected they all automatically remember/learned how to dodge? Sure, occasionally someone dies because of lag, or things outside of their control (dog unplugs controller etc.) The majority of deaths happen because people refuse to learn, or are just terrible at the game. My timing for LB3 doesn't make one bit of difference if the players I resurrect willingly walk right back into plumes, or don't get the hell out of eruptions, or whatever mechanic they are failing at during the fight. And now, you are basically invincible after resurrection for 5-10 seconds or until you fire off an attack, so your statement is highly irrelevant to begin with.



Or maybe you just never PUG......